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welcome back

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greetings and salutations friends

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welcome back

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to the midnight hour show

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my name is stephen cambion

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also known as the mystery man

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and i'll be your guide

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through this

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i thought tonight i would break the

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pattern and do something

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way different than i usually do

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and that is

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instead of compressing an investigation

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down and down and down and

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taking little quotes from this source or

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that source or

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just compressing everything down so much

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and trying to fit so much in

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honestly i do that too much in my head

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spinning

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so tonight i'm gonna take you with me

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into an investigation

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i'm gonna let you see some of the work

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that goes into

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some of the calls that i make and the

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questions that i ask people

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i think it's important that people

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realize that getting to the truth

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is a process

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it's not an easy process

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but it's a process worth working through

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if you really want to get to the truth

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behind some of these things

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this week

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i will be investigating something called

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the disclosure support network

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a story originally brought to me by juan

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stina maria

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when i first heard this story

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i couldn't believe

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that this was really a thing

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it seems that a ufo con man

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started a network

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of so-called professionals who could

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help you through

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all that trauma

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and psychological problems that you're

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are you being abducted by aliens

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our trained counselors are standing by

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are you in communication with other

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worldly beings

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folks this is ludicrous

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disclosure support specialists

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undercover and i told them that i was

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suffering from suicidal depression and i

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needed psychological counseling

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and i got to tell you the number of

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these clowns

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these charlatans

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that agreed to help me with my suicidal

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depression

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made me

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angry most of the people on this list

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have no qualifications

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whatsoever

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to be giving anyone counseling

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oh sure these people will give you some

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light being therapy or clear your

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chakras

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but folks if you're suffering from

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suicidal depression and you call them

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for help

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there's no way they should try to take

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your money

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i send other people calling people on

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this list who were not qualified to do

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psychological counseling and

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what i got back was

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yeah they agreed to help me for a fee

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even though they had no credentials and

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were not state licensed to provide

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counseling services for anyone

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now i gotta say some of the people on

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this list have actual real credentials

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but most of them don't

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and that my friends is the troubling

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why are these people

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if the leadership of this group knew

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so friends i've got a lot of questions

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and i'm just going to start calling

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people up and asking them some questions

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because that's what i do here

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so friends i tried to get to the head of

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this organization a young lady named

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that i'm going to be asking

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these people already but i want to see

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what they're going to say

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and folks all i have is questions

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hi can i speak to emma please

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steven uh i have a uh

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a radio show on the fringe fm and i'm

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doing a story about this uh disclosure

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who's been instrumental in keeping it

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going and and who is exactly the person

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that's running that disclosure network

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then maybe my i couldn't i couldn't tell

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uh if if you go i can tell you where to

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go to find it okay

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support network oh you know i probably

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have that information i just happened to

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uh on uh this website about it uh yeah

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and uh this has to do with uh

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sign up for disclosure support and on

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the side panel they have you

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uh and your credentials

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you know the reason i'm doing this story

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is they've got a bunch of people in this

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disclosure support network that are

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if i understand it correctly providing

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counseling services to people

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that are having issues dealing with

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aliens disclosure flying saucers i don't

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know abductions

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list of all of these counselors that

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most of them are not educated or

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counseling people

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right were you aware that you're one of

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uh i'm i'm not in the disclosure network

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integrative mental health for you okay

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so it's called imhu

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for um and if you go there you'll see 25

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courses that we offer and one of them is

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is about the disclosure um

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network

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but i interview a woman and talk about

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this and that would be vivian davis

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reach out to her but it seems like it's

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always voicemail at her at her uh

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okay so you know i guess i was an error

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kind of just fine i found this you know

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get support through the full disclosure

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network or whatever this disclosure

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network and you're right this is a

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university.imhu.org that's your

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organization

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correct so but you're not part of this

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disclosure network and you don't provide

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what what the disclosure network has

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a link to people that i have trained to

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them offer support groups only because

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sources that have paid for counseling

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services with people that are not

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counseling sessions and they are not

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services in the states they're in

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we've done that's not part that's not

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i'm still i'm still a little

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i'm still a little i'm still a little

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shaky with your with with what your

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involvement is then you said you're not

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a part of your network but you've

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trained some of the people that are in

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that network is that no i didn't say

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yeah let me let me try again

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i'm sorry i'm obviously not being clear

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i want to get the information correct

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before i report it okay so and and and i

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apologize for

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you know i guess my ignorance of the

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whole thing it's kind of complicated to

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try to figure this out as an outsider

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don't know what they have listed on the

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disclosure support network so i'm

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ignorant of that but

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let me

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try again to describe what my

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association is

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people to work with those who are in

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and those people some people about 50 of

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the people who take the course are

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for instance a psychiatric nurse or a

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and 50 of the people do not have that

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licensure

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but if they go through our whole

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and they are not licensed

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suggest to them that they can offer

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group support which only means people

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and talking together about their

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experiences and sharing resources it's

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not counseling it's not one-on-one

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counseling we do not authorize people to

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do one-on-one counseling only just so

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you're aware just so you're aware they

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i think but here's maybe maybe you have

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not been made aware that these people

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are doing that or you were unaware of it

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you're interrupting me and you're really

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confusing the issue i'm i'm giving

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giving it my best shot

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uh the people listed as spiritual

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emergence coaches are different than the

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ones that are listed under the

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disclosure support group

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i have not trained those people

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they have not come to taking training

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from me

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they are different than the spiritual

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emergence coaches

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okay

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well i think i'm a little more clear

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then but i'm still i'm i'm still

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kind of struggling with

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somebody comes and takes your course and

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then they offer counseling

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sessions no i'm telling you that this is

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i don't know that they've taken your

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course i'm i'm just talking about people

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from this disclosure support network

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okay they're not accredited they're not

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allowed to give counseling services and

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yet we have found that they are

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taking people's money and providing

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counseling services without

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accreditation licensing i'm not a

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psychiatrist or a psychologist

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or a counselor but i know that most

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states require some form of

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certification before you're allowed to

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take money from people and provide

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counseling services and we have people

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that

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qualifications are like they're a

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minister able to perform weddings and

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they're somehow counseling people

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uh with post-traumatic stress or you

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know

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depressed so you can see why i have a

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problem with that right being a

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professional

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at this yes i i can see how you have a

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problem and i just want to make very

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clear

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that the people i've trained and i'm

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associated with are not on that list of

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the disclosure project okay

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you're just offering a course in

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so so just consider this i interviewed

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vivian

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and i told people what the disclosure

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project is all about

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and i referred them to people who are

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spokespeople for disclosure

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okay and

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just like giving a course on that so

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people are aware that this exists

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okay yeah that makes sense do you know

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vivian davis claims to have a master of

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arts do you know from what college or

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university she's got a master of arts in

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no i don't

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okay well i guess i could try to ask her

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directly and your uh

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all of your educational credentials i'm

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assuming check out though which to be

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honest with the is rare

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since i started looking into this

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so i wanted to talk to you because i

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know you are who you say you are you

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have the experience in the education

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that you say that you have like you have

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a phd correct

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yes i do from what university

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it's from the institute of transpersonal

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psychology which has changed its name to

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sophia university is that a real college

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or is that like a yes it is it's a it's

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correct so it's not like a degree mill

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or something like that and do you have a

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thesis do you have a thesis for your phd

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a master's thesis that i could look at

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yes

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it's not a master's this is a phd uh

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dissertation

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oh and

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pardon me do you think you can send me

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well

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it's uh it's hundreds of pages long

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and uh is there some is there some uh

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usually every university keeps

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you know like a database or record you

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know like i can go

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i don't know about psychology but i know

389
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you know i'm involved in science

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computer science i can go to any

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computer science college and get a

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record of somebody's master's thesis or

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phd thesis

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from the school directly could i do that

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in your case

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i'm not sure if they offer it by email

397
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that you that you can download it i i'm

398
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not i've never tried to do that but

399
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there is a um

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depository of all academic dissertations

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that uh has a copy of the dissertation

402
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so and you realize i'm just trying to

403
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verify your credentials i'm not i don't

404
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know

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yeah i just want to be sure because

406
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honestly you've been one of the few

407
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people that uh didn't come up right away

408
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as not having credentials that they're

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claiming or

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in a lot of cases these people have some

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kind of degree meal degree or like

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you know some kind of certificate from

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something that's not really worth

414
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anything you you know what i mean i'm

415
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sure you've seen people like this in

416
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your line of work they just have some

417
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kind of

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mill or from something

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you know

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yeah

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okay well listen i'm sorry i'm sorry

422
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that i spent uh or that i that i

423
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bothered you and uh and you know i hope

424
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that i didn't that you don't feel i

425
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wasted your time i'm just trying to get

426
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to the heart of the story and really the

427
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story is why are a bunch of people that

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are not accredited or uh

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you know licensed giving therapy

430
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sessions to people that may be in frail

431
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mental health at the moment you know

432
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that's really the heart of the story

433
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okay and uh really also it's related to

434
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uh this corey goode that vivian mentions

435
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are you familiar with him

436
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i i know the name and i know what he

437
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stands for

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and i know that that uh some people feel

439
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he's very very good and some people feel

440
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he's uh not

441
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authentic

442
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can i ask you a question

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i i was trained and licensed in the

444
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state of california i now live in the

445
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state of vermont okay but i mean as a

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mental health professional you don't

447
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find any of his claims to be uh

448
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delusions of grandeur you're aware

449
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he says he went to space three different

450
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times for 20 years but then they time

451
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traveled him and age regressed him back

452
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to right before he left

453
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that's one of his claims another one of

454
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his claims is that a spaceship landed in

455
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his backyard and took him to a secret

456
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base on the moon

457
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you don't find that at all troubling

458
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from a mental health perspective

459
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well

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to tell you the truth i i've i've heard

461
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both of those claims i've i've looked at

462
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it and i've thought

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i

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from

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well

466
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yeah i i sincerely apologize i'm just

467
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trying to i have some

468
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i didn't even plan to ask you about

469
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corey good but since i did i wanted to

470
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know from somebody with your experience

471
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if you know what temporal dementia is

472
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because he claims he hasn't is suffering

473
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from that and was being treated for it

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i don't believe that's a real mental

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condition there's something close to

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that

477
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you know

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medically

479
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i think he kind of made that up to

480
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i don't know part of a science fiction

481
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story but that also causes memory loss

482
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and a lot of different

483
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you know

484
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things that could explain his delusions

485
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of grandeur if he is indeed suffering

486
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from that

487
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i'm just trying to get to the bottom of

488
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this story and why is a ufo a guy who

489
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runs a ufo cult suddenly

490
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gathering all of these people that are

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going to provide counseling services

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to people

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related to disclosure aliens and stuff

494
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like that you know he started that

495
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that's his group that that began this

496
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right

497
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and you know

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you know that he had a uh

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can i um ask do you do you know someone

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who's been hurt is that what has

501
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motivated you to do this

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oh i know a great number of people who

503
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have been hurt by this man corey good so

504
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can i just interrupt you for a moment

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you know you know what i i really am

506
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this is not a major interest of mine

507
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it's something that i think is of

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interest just

509
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to know that disclosure is coming out

510
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and they're far better spokespeople like

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stephen greer who is a bit more grounded

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than corey goode

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and

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so as far as i'm concerned corey good is

515
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just one of the players in this

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and i would just like to leave it at

517
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that i don't really want to go into the

518
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depth of the story but i appreciate what

519
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you're doing because it sounds like you

520
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do know people who have been hurt and

521
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you're trying to stop the hurt and i

522
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think that's great

523
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thank you for doing that well listen i

524
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have tremendous respect for you taking

525
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the time to talk to me because quite

526
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honestly a lot of people will not even

527
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speak to me or answer any questions and

528
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that raises questions

529
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about why i don't answer the questions

530
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so you have a good day i appreciate your

531
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help okay

532
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okay bye bye

533
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so folks we find out a lot of strange

534
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things i mean so this person that's

535
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selling a training class related to this

536
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:25,120
disclosure support network

537
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she doesn't even know that corey goode

538
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was involved with starting that

539
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,840
organization this is the kind of

540
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,919
misdirection we keep seeing the whole

541
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,600
thing seems strange to me why are you

542
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joining an organization then

543
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you don't know who the people behind it

544
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are

545
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but this is the misdirection that we see

546
00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:42,640
time and time again with some of these

547
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:49,830
there's layers of deception

548
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,640
the many

549
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,799
so-called disclosure facebook groups

550
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that these people started

551
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,440
just to data mine names of people that

552
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:01,280
may be interested in what they're

553
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:03,440
selling

554
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,360
but hey

555
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,120
let's get back to the phone and see what

556
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:09,280
else we can dig up by just calling

557
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:11,200
people and asking them some questions

558
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,070
hello

559
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hi can i speak to paula

560
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:24,799
uh charlotte oh thank you yes i really

561
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appreciate your calling isn't the

562
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,240
emergency people

563
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:29,840
excuse me

564
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:32,799
oh i'm sorry uh who's calling for you

565
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,159
hi my name is steven and i i do a radio

566
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,960
show on the fringe fm i'm trying to do a

567
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,280
story on this disclosure network that

568
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,799
you're a part of

569
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and i'm having i'm having a real hard

570
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:46,240
time finding anybody to answer any

571
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,679
questions

572
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,559
can uh interesting okay can i ask you a

573
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:52,559
few questions about this disclosure

574
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network

575
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yeah well could you i'm sorry just

576
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:59,120
disclosure support network

577
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,880
understood yes

578
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:02,080
um

579
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,440
so first of all

580
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,880
um

581
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,240
what is your first name just like an

582
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:08,559
address oh stephen

583
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:11,600
okay and steven so i didn't quite get i

584
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,919
had kind of a strange day today i didn't

585
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,440
quite catch did you say your it's a

586
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,880
radio program

587
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,000
yes

588
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,080
yeah i have i have a show it's on the

589
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:22,320
fringe fm it's called the midnight hour

590
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,360
show

591
00:23:26,630 --> 00:23:25,200
and it's on every saturday at midnight

592
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,640
and we talk about a lot of strange

593
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,720
things bigfoot ufos and all that kind of

594
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:30,799
stuff fringe topics of course

595
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:32,799
and i'm doing a story on this disclosure

596
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,440
support network because

597
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,760
you know quite honestly it doesn't look

598
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,600
good to me because you got a lot of

599
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,520
people you've got a lot of people in

600
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,520
here that are not qualified to offer

601
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,440
counseling services

602
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:46,960
and they are

603
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:48,559
in this network

604
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,440
um

605
00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:52,000
you know and and and

606
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,600
i'm i'm having a real hard time getting

607
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:56,080
anybody to answer questions like should

608
00:24:04,070 --> 00:23:56,960
people

609
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,080
do not have the proper accreditation

610
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,960
counseling certificates or

611
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,159
state

612
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,720
requirements to perform

613
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,400
like let's say

614
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,880
therapy for post-traumatic stress

615
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:16,240
or for

616
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,960
rape or addiction counseling you know

617
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,919
yeah

618
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:21,919
well i feel like you know it's really

619
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:24,559
interesting that you called me um

620
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:27,679
because i feel you know pretty well

621
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,960
first of all i'm interested in what

622
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:30,320
you're doing

623
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,760
secondly i feel experienced and

624
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,279
qualified

625
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,159
to um

626
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,559
inform you objectively

627
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,320
i have a background actually in

628
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,080
journalism and

629
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,279
multiple degrees and i'm really you know

630
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,440
a seeker of the truth

631
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,840
and i feel you know i was actually

632
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,760
trained as a librarian so have a

633
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:55,200
investment in

634
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:56,559
research

635
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:01,279
information and i can understand

636
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,480
you know your quandary about um

637
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,400
transparency it sounds like that's what

638
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,480
you're missing or you're not getting

639
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,559
well you know quite honestly

640
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,919
i'm not sure if you're aware but the

641
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,440
person that put this

642
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,919
disclosure support network together is

643
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:18,480
corey goode and his uh manager roger

644
00:25:22,230 --> 00:25:19,840
ramseur

645
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,240
were you aware of that

646
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,120
well i know some of these folks i don't

647
00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:26,799
quite honestly

648
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:30,880
feel like directly identified with with

649
00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,600
this network because i think um

650
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,400
you know some of the players are

651
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,320
questionable and

652
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:42,720
so i'm not really honestly

653
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:43,679
i just want to tell you that i

654
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,679
appreciate your honesty because

655
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:47,840
something well it's important

656
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,919
it's really important because people are

657
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,640
confused and also i i want to make sure

658
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,880
that you understand i did not mean to

659
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:57,200
imply that you personally are not

660
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,159
qualified because oh no no i haven't

661
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,400
checked i'm checking everybody's you

662
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,960
know employ you know their history and

663
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:07,279
their educational claims i didn't get to

664
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,400
you but

665
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,240
you look like one of the good ones i can

666
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,799
send you yeah i can send you

667
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:15,600
my bio and i mean i have an advanced

668
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,600
degree i have multiple degrees they have

669
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,679
multiple certifications i've you know

670
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,600
really truly i mean it's pretty solid

671
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:23,679
background

672
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,559
seem like incredibly educated wow you

673
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,559
have a bachelor's of arts in design

674
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,919
bachelors of science and business

675
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:31,679
administration oh great

676
00:26:35,909 --> 00:26:35,039
library and information science

677
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,919
yeah

678
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,919
but you know what's interesting is um

679
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:40,159
steven is what i've pursued most

680
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,600
recently

681
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:44,880
which is um this whole field of

682
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,919
broadly speaking i refer to it

683
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,400
as energy psychology because i'm

684
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,520
actually currently a biofeedback and

685
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,919
neurofeedback practitioner that's i've

686
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:57,679
changed fields i've been you know i've

687
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,679
had several careers

688
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,760
and the only reason i've really had

689
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,440
exposure to

690
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,400
you know this network is

691
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,559
frankly out of curiosity you know i mean

692
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,679
i think

693
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:12,240
you know if you're really awake

694
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:14,320
these days clearly

695
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,360
you know

696
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,640
you're

697
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:18,880
realizing that there's more

698
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,200
than meets the eye right i mean we all

699
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:23,600
know that yeah so almost

700
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,480
yeah a lot of illusion a lot of delusion

701
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:28,320
especially in the media in the press and

702
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,360
so

703
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,760
you know i think many people are really

704
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:32,880
seeking

705
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:36,159
gra become grounded in in what is the

706
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,360
truth

707
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,360
um and that's what sort of led me you

708
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,200
know to explore

709
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,960
with some of these folks but you know

710
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,240
honestly

711
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,679
i was going to ask you if you could tell

712
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:47,600
me how is it that you were approached

713
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,389
well yeah i'm trying to sort of

714
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,440
resuscitate it because um

715
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,520
several years ago i mean i'm kind of one

716
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,760
of those what do they call them lifelong

717
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,120
learners

718
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,200
i really like learning yeah i can see

719
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:06,559
that from your short biography there

720
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,480
well thank you i mean you know it's it's

721
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:10,640
just we live in an information age and

722
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,279
you need to keep up with it so anyway i

723
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:15,200
studied with um

724
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,120
bruce lipton 10 years ago when i was

725
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:18,880
living in california

726
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,520
i studied energy psychology broadly

727
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,520
speaking and that's what led me to what

728
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,159
i do today so in the interest of you

729
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,240
know continuing education

730
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,279
broadly speaking i studied several years

731
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,640
ago

732
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,600
a topic called spiritual emergence

733
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,159
spiritual emergence

734
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,399
and it's a very interesting topic

735
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:42,240
because many people are experiencing it

736
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,200
today

737
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,159
there's a lot of trauma unfortunately

738
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:48,559
collective trauma intergenerational

739
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,919
trauma individual trauma and you know

740
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,159
there aren't many

741
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:56,559
um modern approaches to it i mean

742
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,840
especially in traditional psychotherapy

743
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,440
which especially if you're looking at

744
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,120
the pharmaceutical based

745
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,000
you know it really doesn't even touch it

746
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,159
so i just was curious i wanted to learn

747
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,480
about this and um

748
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,679
so i studied with this dr emma brandon

749
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,000
up in vermont at the institute for

750
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:18,480
alternative mentor mental health and

751
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,520
that's how i was became exposed to to

752
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,200
answer your question directly

753
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,039
this particular woman now i'm not even

754
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:27,120
sure i can remember her name but you you

755
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:35,029
exactly vivian davis gave a video she

756
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,640
had you know her interview whatever she

757
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:38,480
was one of our

758
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,080
presenters and you know i i care the

759
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,320
heritage hadn't really been that

760
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,320
directly exposed

761
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,120
to um this topic and i just thought it

762
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:50,960
was curious and interesting

763
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,440
and kind of learn about my business um

764
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,120
yeah it's interesting that you mentioned

765
00:29:58,950 --> 00:29:57,520
emma because i just spoke with her and

766
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:58,960
she pretty much

767
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,039
just denies any involvement at all with

768
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:03,120
this disclosure network she said no i

769
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:04,640
have this course

770
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,840
my organization offers this course okay

771
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:10,080
and that's it she she doesn't really

772
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,600
claim any other

773
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:13,600
affiliation with that i don't think she

774
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,919
yes i don't think she is involved

775
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,880
um

776
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,120
she's involved in other stuff but she's

777
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,120
not involved in this particular i think

778
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,880
we're somewhat similar i think emma and

779
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,480
i are somewhat similar

780
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,279
we were sort of just you know uh curious

781
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,960
i mean i'll speak for myself i was just

782
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,480
curious i mean how could you not be

783
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,399
curious about such an interesting topic

784
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:34,960
right it's just interesting so i you

785
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,760
know the point is i saw this video by

786
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:40,640
vivian and you know it's like okay well

787
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,360
that's interesting um and then i

788
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,120
actually met her

789
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,880
it was kind of interesting several years

790
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,240
ago i met her

791
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,240
in asheville i live in north carolina

792
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,399
and i went up with a friend

793
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,720
met her and i learned some more and then

794
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:56,240
she invited me

795
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,200
to

796
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,519
be on her website and i guess i'm still

797
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,200
on it i mean i guess that's how you

798
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:04,080
found that okay guys how i found you yes

799
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:06,320
okay and i just never took my name off

800
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,279
because i

801
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:09,200
i like to be on multiple websites it's

802
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:11,840
just good exposure but honestly now i

803
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:13,279
just wanted to ask you then because it

804
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,519
sounds to me like you are not aware of

805
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,480
the puppet masters behind this thing

806
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:20,399
and that would be

807
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,279
one

808
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:23,279
james corey goode

809
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,640
and his

810
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,960
manager who started this whole

811
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:29,600
disclosure support network as far as i

812
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,039
understand and they put uh vivian davis

813
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,720
in charge of it

814
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,679
um yes i am aware of that actually

815
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,880
and uh

816
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,399
again broadly speaking generally

817
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,360
speaking yeah and so but i i don't

818
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:45,039
affiliate you know it's so funny because

819
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,320
i was just having like a similar

820
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,480
conversation last night corey good's

821
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,039
name came up and i said at the time and

822
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,960
i said you know i just don't even he

823
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,039
just seems so irrelevant i mean i don't

824
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:57,120
think anybody really follows him his

825
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:58,480
credibility

826
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:59,600
has really

827
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,399
dropped yeah in the past couple of years

828
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:04,080
i've been involved with covering him for

829
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:05,840
quite some time and and i can just tell

830
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,760
you the truth in that he's not a big fan

831
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:09,120
of mine

832
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,360
and i'm probably not a big fan of his

833
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:14,240
because to be quite uh honest and blunt

834
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:17,840
i just think he's a uh he is something i

835
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:20,480
created the term for i call him a cosmic

836
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:23,840
con man that's what i believe he's doing

837
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:25,919
and i believe this disclosure support

838
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,960
network is just a way to con vulnerable

839
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:31,519
people into you know

840
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,080
some sort of uh financial arrangement

841
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:36,080
what i don't understand is if is there

842
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,799
any kickback

843
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,799
well actually

844
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:42,399
stephen i don't have a clue about what

845
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,760
kind of financial arrangement you're

846
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,360
talking about because you know i've

847
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,919
never had any financial exchange

848
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,159
okay so you've never got a client from

849
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,039
this then from being on that website

850
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:55,679
never never because see i'm on at least

851
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,720
10 websites and i just figured yeah the

852
00:33:01,509 --> 00:33:00,320
more websites more exposure i mean how

853
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,519
can it hurt

854
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:03,600
um but never and in fact i think if i

855
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,640
ever did

856
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,559
i probably would

857
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,000
um

858
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:10,880
decline because i had a kind of

859
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:12,559
altercation

860
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,279
inadvertently with vivian

861
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,799
and i'll just finish the thought because

862
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,960
the friend that introduced us

863
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,519
had a very bad experience with her

864
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,200
and i'll scare you of the detail i mean

865
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,880
it's really not important and i just

866
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:26,559
thought well you know maybe she's a

867
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,159
little offer walker and that's okay

868
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,000
yeah i seem to deal with a lot of people

869
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:34,240
on these fringe topics that sometimes i

870
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,480
kind of i'm working on stories and

871
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,960
sometimes i kind of go man i put a lot

872
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,640
of time and energy into this story with

873
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,360
this person but the truth is they need a

874
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:45,039
mental health facility they don't need

875
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,679
to be talking about aliens right now you

876
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,480
know yeah yeah well steven you know it's

877
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,320
so funny i mean i guess everything

878
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,000
happens for a reason i actually was

879
00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:55,919
right on my way out the door

880
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,240
and i almost didn't answer the phone but

881
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,559
no i mean it's like i i

882
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,559
no no not at all i really i really have

883
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:04,240
a sense of destiny about most things

884
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,840
just in terms of you know things happen

885
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,679
for a reason and all that stuff it's not

886
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,240
a problem um but here's my point what i

887
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,520
what i might

888
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,599
be able you know to constructively offer

889
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:15,440
you are some of the

890
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,320
you know

891
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:18,960
individuals who really are solid that

892
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,359
have training whether it's science or

893
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,520
psychology or yeah so

894
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,960
this is what i'm finding in going

895
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:26,480
through the people in this network is

896
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,879
that we have some that you can go and

897
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:30,960
verify their education their credentials

898
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:32,960
their accreditation or whatever their

899
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,359
they have state counseling certificate

900
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,040
that entitles them to legally offer

901
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,879
counseling services

902
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:40,480
but then i'm finding some people whose

903
00:34:43,589 --> 00:34:41,839
only certification is they're a

904
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,599
registered minister that can perform

905
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,119
weddings and somehow

906
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,040
that person is offering counseling

907
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,639
services for rape victims for uh

908
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,639
addiction people who are struggling with

909
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:54,800
injuries let me

910
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,760
i need to

911
00:35:04,870 --> 00:34:57,920
hold down one second please hold the

912
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,470
we get multiple calls

913
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,079
i had to pick that up that's who i

914
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,000
thought you were anyway getting back to

915
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:13,119
uh where were we at we're talking about

916
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:19,430
um

917
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:21,920
no i mean you know

918
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,800
there's so many uh you know fine

919
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,119
integra you know people with integrity

920
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,800
and

921
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,400
i think it's just a sign of the times

922
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:32,960
really don't you i mean we live in

923
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,839
uncommon times right yeah i don't know

924
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,280
you know i'm just kind of like some of

925
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:39,040
these people i'm going through and and

926
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:40,800
you know when i see stuff like uh let's

927
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,599
see certified master reiki practitioner

928
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:45,839
well that could be a correspondence

929
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:47,200
class that you paid a hundred dollars

930
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,400
for that and they just gave you a

931
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,160
certificate do you know what i mean like

932
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,920
that's what i would probably somebody

933
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,359
bolstering

934
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:55,359
trying to portray themselves as being

935
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,480
some kind of

936
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,480
i don't know guru that could help people

937
00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,320
and and they might be for all i know

938
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,599
they may be

939
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,240
uh but they don't have the state

940
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:06,320
legal requirements to provide the

941
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,560
counseling services that they're listed

942
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:10,720
under in this network

943
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:17,829
but they have you know they have a

944
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,760
button for addiction and and they have a

945
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,000
button for depression or

946
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,480
i don't know yeah it's confusing yeah

947
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:26,000
well it's probably because of the

948
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:30,079
biofeedback and neurofeedback i do um

949
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,599
you know that's i

950
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,760
vaguely remember i you know when we did

951
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:35,920
that she probably put me there because

952
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,440
that that's what i do i um

953
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,000
but the kind of work that i do is

954
00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:44,400
non-traditional but the training was

955
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,480
extremely rigorous and i am certified

956
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:47,520
and

957
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,119
um

958
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:51,440
you know but i i think maybe what you're

959
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,160
experiencing steven is just um

960
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:58,480
you know where the boundaries blur

961
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,760
where the boundary blurs between

962
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,000
traditional um

963
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,160
psychotherapy and counseling

964
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,720
and the newer um i'll call them

965
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,400
energetic

966
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,480
or deep change techniques you know

967
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:14,079
you're probably familiar with tapping i

968
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,119
don't know maybe some of these things

969
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,280
you do and do not know about it

970
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:19,119
there's a couple of you know really

971
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,079
common

972
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,520
very well respected techniques and a lot

973
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,920
of them are designed for trauma to

974
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,280
release trauma

975
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,720
those are the ones that i'm most

976
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,800
familiar with yeah

977
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,560
i'm familiar with some alternative

978
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,160
therapies yeah

979
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,640
and i'm fine with people seeking

980
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:39,040
alternatives to traditional

981
00:37:41,349 --> 00:37:40,320
uh

982
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,359
you know

983
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,520
i don't know psychotherapy or counseling

984
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:45,040
whatever

985
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,320
the biggest problem that i have in

986
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:48,000
looking into this whole thing is just

987
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,920
that there's so many people here that

988
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,920
they have those you know

989
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,760
print your own

990
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:54,800
kind of

991
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,440
certifications from some place it's not

992
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,480
really accredited or you know

993
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,560
and that's what i'm looking into and

994
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,280
just further this

995
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,440
doesn't it just doesn't sit right with

996
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:09,520
me like oh

997
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:11,920
disclosure and so come and get your

998
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,720
disclosure support from these people

999
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,480
and uh

1000
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,320
you know it's the whole thing seems

1001
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:20,240
strange to me

1002
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,800
well i think it's always healthy when we

1003
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:24,880
trust our instincts because those are

1004
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:26,079
typically

1005
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:26,880
you know

1006
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,480
um

1007
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:30,720
the truth of what we're perceiving well

1008
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:34,000
here's here's my instinct and and so far

1009
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,359
what i can say is

1010
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,720
uh that

1011
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,560
what we already said is that some of

1012
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:40,079
these people in this list are qualified

1013
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:41,280
to do these things and some of these

1014
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,240
people are terribly terribly unqualified

1015
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,480
and maybe and maybe doing something

1016
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:48,880
illegal by providing these people with

1017
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,280
counseling sessions or whatever

1018
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,960
yeah that's all i'm trying to get to is

1019
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:54,800
the truth of this thing yeah and also

1020
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,040
why why is a

1021
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,560
a guy who

1022
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:00,960
was in the secret space program and as

1023
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,079
uh you know uh a ufo guy

1024
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,560
starting to amass this

1025
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:09,040
disclosure support network if not for

1026
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:11,200
some kind of financial gain

1027
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,800
it doesn't make sense

1028
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:14,880
yeah yeah you know what honestly i don't

1029
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,359
know that i have no clue what you know

1030
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,280
the deal was with any kind of financial

1031
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,040
guy you told me that your friend had a

1032
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:23,680
bad experience with vivian was that just

1033
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:26,240
well you know the issue

1034
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,079
no no you know it had to do it had

1035
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,000
nothing to do with money it had nothing

1036
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:32,079
to do with counseling and my friend by

1037
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,119
the way

1038
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,520
is in a master's of divinity

1039
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,440
at wake forest university here in

1040
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,040
winston-salem i mean she's probably one

1041
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,640
of the most brilliant people people i've

1042
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,839
ever known so and solid as a rock

1043
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:45,200
i was going to ask you where are you at

1044
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,160
in the world i thought you were in

1045
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:47,920
california you're in massachusetts well

1046
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,359
i was i i'm in north carolina oh okay i

1047
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,920
was in yeah california for a long time

1048
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,839
um but but i kind of moved back and

1049
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,280
forth between north carolina and

1050
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,599
northern california anyway my friend in

1051
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:02,240
it you know in a nutshell she had a an

1052
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,560
experience with plagiarism

1053
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,440
and she experienced that i mean i'm just

1054
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,800
reporting you know

1055
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,760
i really i am and this is the truth um

1056
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:13,599
she had an experience with vivian where

1057
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:16,240
they were you know kind of constructing

1058
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,720
like a strategic plan kind of thing

1059
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:20,480
and um

1060
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,839
and i was actually advising her because

1061
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,359
i had background in that kind of thing

1062
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,400
but vivian um you know kind of uh

1063
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,240
plagiarized her work

1064
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,319
and planned to present it at a

1065
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,480
conference and we were both satisfied

1066
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,240
this is very common do you know that

1067
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,000
corey goode is being sued right now in

1068
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,160
civil court because he plagiarized this

1069
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,440
girl that does

1070
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,000
uh writes books about dream you know

1071
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,920
dream interpretation

1072
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,640
i'm not surprised yeah i'm not speaking

1073
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,480
sued in civil court for just taking

1074
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:50,400
stuff straight from her book and putting

1075
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,760
it into his lectures or whatever he does

1076
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,880
and uh

1077
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,560
and also there's a book called the

1078
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:58,960
martian chronicles i believe

1079
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,359
and almost corey's entire story is in

1080
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,520
that book and and this was

1081
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:04,560
you know

1082
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,720
i'm sure previous to coming out and

1083
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,319
deciding he was a

1084
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:13,520
buck rogers savior of the world you know

1085
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,400
yeah

1086
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,240
well you know i think honestly steven

1087
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:18,160
for your purposes for your constructive

1088
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,280
purposes

1089
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,079
i would um

1090
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,680
suggest

1091
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:24,960
to

1092
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:29,440
of um

1093
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,480
accept

1094
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,960
that corey goode's stature has really

1095
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:35,040
slipped now i mean i'm probably stating

1096
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,319
the obvious

1097
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,359
but i don't think he is

1098
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,640
his credibility has been compromised and

1099
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,760
well i don't know if you're aware of

1100
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,960
some of the things that have been going

1101
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:46,480
on but

1102
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,800
he got caught dead to rights like doing

1103
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,880
a whole bunch of dirty stuff and doxing

1104
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,200
people and uh you know he had this

1105
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:54,960
secret group on facebook and they were

1106
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:57,680
like making memes like making fun of all

1107
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:59,839
of his critics and attacking them and

1108
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,079
planning on how they could get them and

1109
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,839
somebody screenshotted a whole bunch of

1110
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:04,480
it

1111
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,640
and first his defense was

1112
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,200
to ignore it and then you know then his

1113
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,200
defense was he he wasn't behind that

1114
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,800
group somebody else was then he threw

1115
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,720
the people in that group under the bus

1116
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,240
even though in the screenshots you could

1117
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,640
see him directing them what to do

1118
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,319
and he says they did that without their

1119
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,079
own consent or knowledge

1120
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:26,400
next he paid i i believe that he

1121
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,119
he manipulated or paid off a youtube

1122
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,280
content creator to say that he wasn't

1123
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:32,720
behind the doc's gate the guy who

1124
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:35,599
reported it was and he made it up to get

1125
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,240
you know and and things go on and on

1126
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,520
with him but you're right he doesn't

1127
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,720
have the uh

1128
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:42,640
he certainly does and then jay widener

1129
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,400
the producer of his original television

1130
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,640
show from gaia tv came out and said he's

1131
00:42:50,790 --> 00:42:48,560
a complete and total fraud

1132
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,800
now i think he is a complete total fraud

1133
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,720
yeah i think he is personally i think he

1134
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,480
is now i wouldn't say that now he's

1135
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,160
sending his uh

1136
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,680
so this guy jay weiner comes out and

1137
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,440
says he's a complete and total fraud now

1138
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,680
they're sending all of his cult members

1139
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,200
to harass the guy threaten him

1140
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,119
intimidate him cory's threatening to sue

1141
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:06,400
the guy

1142
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,480
screenshots of corey threatening to sue

1143
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,359
him and now a bunch of nameless faceless

1144
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,960
accounts are calling that guy a satanic

1145
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,599
pedophile online you know

1146
00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:19,200
it's one big

1147
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,920
long con if you ask me yeah he cannot

1148
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:24,000
address the criticism so what he does is

1149
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,200
he tries to kill the messengers

1150
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:30,160
you know yeah well what it what is your

1151
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,200
um

1152
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,640
you know

1153
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:35,200
i mean actually i'm i mean frankly i'm

1154
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,720
really not very interested in talking

1155
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,520
about glory forward

1156
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,440
i mean he's just a jerk i mean everybody

1157
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,200
i mean in colloquialism you know

1158
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,119
everybody knows he's a jerk i mean maybe

1159
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,119
at some point he had some you know

1160
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,520
innovative uh very cutting-edge research

1161
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:51,359
and information maybe 10 years ago or

1162
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,560
something but

1163
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:54,720
most people just don't even like they

1164
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,440
totally discount him but you know again

1165
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,280
in a constructive vein

1166
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:00,480
um

1167
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:03,200
i mean i i you know i'm happy if if it's

1168
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:04,240
relevant

1169
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,440
or you know helpful to point you in more

1170
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,119
um

1171
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,599
to more substantial sources

1172
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,920
because you know i've been in this this

1173
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,400
field for a long time and i i really

1174
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:19,520
have i i'm very you know discerning and

1175
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,640
i think that that's the um

1176
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,000
most important

1177
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:25,839
aspect of

1178
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,640
being in it is to realize that

1179
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,920
you know

1180
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,400
some folks are really solid and some

1181
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,280
aren't and the ones that are solid are

1182
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,839
pretty amazing human beings

1183
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:39,839
so yeah that's been my experience

1184
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:42,319
honestly on my show i've had i've had

1185
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,760
like stan friedman i've had uh

1186
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,000
a lot of the bigger names and ufos i've

1187
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,000
had on my show they're they're great

1188
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,760
people but i like the guys that are

1189
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,520
talking about facts and evidence not

1190
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,520
just telling stories i guess that's the

1191
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,960
problem that i have with corey good

1192
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,760
because

1193
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,440
if you follow the pattern of him it's

1194
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,839
just crazy like he's just taking paypal

1195
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,079
donations to move taking paypal

1196
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,240
donations from everybody to go on

1197
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,400
vacation with his family and then it's i

1198
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,920
need money for this i need money for

1199
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,240
that and it's just um it's just a

1200
00:45:14,950 --> 00:45:13,839
comment you know

1201
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:14,960
yeah

1202
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,400
well it's you know these times um a lot

1203
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:19,920
of people

1204
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,560
get really off the tracks with these

1205
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,480
energies of these times they're very

1206
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,680
intense

1207
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
and some people can't handle them and

1208
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,280
especially if they have

1209
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,079
you know some notoriety or publicity

1210
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,560
that's inflating their egos it can

1211
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:36,319
really be

1212
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,000
kind of a you know

1213
00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:40,160
dangerous combination

1214
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,319
and i think you know he's just a good

1215
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,440
example

1216
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:45,599
but um

1217
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:46,800
you know

1218
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:53,349
uh

1219
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,480
how else you know can i be helpful in

1220
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,319
well no i think we covered in everything

1221
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,319
i was interested in how you got added

1222
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,720
and uh i was interested in if there's

1223
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,319
some financial kickback but you've never

1224
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:06,000
had a client come to you before you have

1225
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:07,040
to

1226
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,560
tell me yeah

1227
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,880
yeah and if i did i probably wouldn't

1228
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,240
and now that you're telling me this i'll

1229
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,240
you know probably remove my name and

1230
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,480
maybe there's this way you know from my

1231
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:17,520
perspective

1232
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,960
and i guess the other thing i was going

1233
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,119
to ask you is that vivian davis is

1234
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:23,599
supposed to have a master of arts in uh

1235
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,800
i believe it's

1236
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,280
public relations but i wondered if you

1237
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,280
heard what school she went to or if

1238
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:31,119
that's a real degree or that's a degree

1239
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,319
meal degree

1240
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,480
the only thing i really know about her

1241
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,800
is that she's um

1242
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,200
a psychotherapist i think i thought she

1243
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,640
had an m.a

1244
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,960
or an ms some master's degree that

1245
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:44,319
qualifies her

1246
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,000
to do you know counseling and

1247
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,800
psychotherapy at least i'm pretty sure

1248
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,640
um

1249
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:52,480
on that video i mean a couple years ago

1250
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,359
but

1251
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:56,640
emma is a really solid academic

1252
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,309
she's no nonsense and i checked and her

1253
00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:04,400
education is real

1254
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:07,119
yeah she's no nonsense um she's

1255
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:08,240
interested

1256
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,960
not so much in like extraterrestrial but

1257
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,440
she's interested as i am

1258
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,079
in you know a broader definition of

1259
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,839
mental health i mean that's really

1260
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,760
that's probably the most accurate way i

1261
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,599
could say to just a broader definition

1262
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,160
and not a non-pharmaceutical approach to

1263
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,240
that to to mental health

1264
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,400
um but getting back to vivian i i mean i

1265
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:29,839
was on an impression she had some kind

1266
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,040
of degree to qualify her you know to do

1267
00:47:38,309 --> 00:47:35,760
so far i don't believe that's true but

1268
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:38,319
i'm still i have to i have to dot my

1269
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,800
eyes and cross my t's before i say

1270
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:42,960
what i believe you know

1271
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,760
yeah

1272
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:45,920
well you know one thing i

1273
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:51,349
are you familiar with bruce lipton

1274
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,200
you know then you mentioned him the name

1275
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,359
sound very familiar to me yes and i'm

1276
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:57,839
mentioning him again because i really

1277
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,280
feel like there's some reasons it's so

1278
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,680
odd on a sunday afternoon you know for

1279
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,400
us to be talking about this stuff but as

1280
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,800
i said i just think that you know i know

1281
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:09,599
who bruce lipton is right of course i

1282
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,160
have watched some of his videos yeah yes

1283
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:14,480
bruce lipton is the

1284
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,760
you know paragon of integrity he's

1285
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,280
an academic

1286
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,079
he's probably the most important

1287
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,040
cell biologist of the 20th century

1288
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,520
he may you know

1289
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,680
go down in history books with the kind

1290
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,000
of stature that einstein had just for

1291
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:34,800
the innovations that he's made in cell

1292
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:37,760
biology with epigenetics and epigenetics

1293
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,319
now everybody's all over it yeah and

1294
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,880
this is the area that i

1295
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:44,400
work in because

1296
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:46,640
the kind of

1297
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,480
transformational subconscious change i

1298
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,079
do is based on

1299
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,559
his epigenetics scientific theory it's

1300
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:55,119
that theory in practice

1301
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:56,079
so

1302
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,599
um

1303
00:49:01,270 --> 00:48:59,920
you know i mentioned it just to i guess

1304
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:01,280
illustrate

1305
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,040
not just i mean i speak about what i do

1306
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:04,640
because i know it best but you know

1307
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,839
there are really many modalities

1308
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,680
that um

1309
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:12,079
are not necessarily mainstream

1310
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,680
that are solid and credible and

1311
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,839
are really helping people

1312
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,200
in a big way

1313
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,119
yeah and i'm going to say i'm all for

1314
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:23,680
those things i'm just not for con men

1315
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,079
taking money from people for sure that's

1316
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:28,559
not valid and and but i have to be

1317
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,000
honest with you and my own personal

1318
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,520
beliefs that things like psychics is is

1319
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,280
a con you know that's just my personal

1320
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,839
behavior oh i understand yeah no i i i

1321
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:39,839
see people doing this kind of stuff i go

1322
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,160
is this a con or is this a valid you

1323
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:45,040
know business here yeah

1324
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,400
yeah

1325
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,119
yes exactly um well i'm glad that i

1326
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:51,040
found you and found one friendly person

1327
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,319
because i can't tell you how many people

1328
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,400
hung up on me and didn't want to talk

1329
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,480
about it or you know but i think those

1330
00:50:01,589 --> 00:49:58,160
may be a little closer to the cult

1331
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:01,599
status of someone we discussed so

1332
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:04,400
yeah or maybe you know they realize that

1333
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:08,480
corey has been compromised in vivian

1334
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,240
i don't know she's been compromised but

1335
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,920
you know these are just not people i

1336
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,520
think maybe they don't want to be

1337
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:15,760
affiliated but i don't i mean i'm kind

1338
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,000
of yeah i don't know i hear that uh i

1339
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:20,800
hear that miss davis has left the cult

1340
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:23,200
and that's another uh reason why i'm

1341
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,040
doing this story because i'm hoping to

1342
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,520
speak to her but but so far uh

1343
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,839
no callbacks but uh i just reached out

1344
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:31,839
to her i think yesterday for the first

1345
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,400
time i'm way behind normally i try to do

1346
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,760
this stuff during the week because more

1347
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:37,280
people answer their phones or but i had

1348
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:38,480
a free day too

1349
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,000
let me try to dig in and get a little

1350
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:41,920
bit and i appreciate what you've been

1351
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,880
able to add because at least i have some

1352
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,720
understanding of the way this works and

1353
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,200
how people got pulled in and you know

1354
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,040
maybe what their interest is it's not

1355
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,280
all nefarious people you know some

1356
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,400
you're right some people are just kind

1357
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,319
of like well this is interesting

1358
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:58,160
what's this about and could i help

1359
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,920
people that need help like this maybe

1360
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,599
right i mean they're offering everything

1361
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,760
though they're offering like you know

1362
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,240
addiction counseling marriage counseling

1363
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:09,200
all different things not just alien

1364
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:13,280
i guess counseling if you i don't know

1365
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,240
well

1366
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,079
you know again i think that it's a

1367
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,440
question of

1368
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,599
um

1369
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:22,559
their

1370
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:27,440
i don't think either

1371
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,680
of those individuals

1372
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,800
you know has have much anymore so

1373
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:34,800
and my only suggestion and i understand

1374
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:38,079
i understand your focus is to reveal

1375
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,520
and to tell the truth which is really

1376
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,680
helpful because some people i guess

1377
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:43,520
still you know could get

1378
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:47,520
really um confused and when people are

1379
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,480
in

1380
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,960
um you know an unstable

1381
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,640
mental place

1382
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:55,040
they can also unfortunately easily be

1383
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:56,160
victimized

1384
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:58,960
yes yes and and that's clearly

1385
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,400
you know the kind

1386
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:02,559
i mean it's clearly well i have uh i

1387
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:04,079
have spoken to a lot of people that are

1388
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:05,920
very close with this whole cult thing

1389
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,040
and uh they came out extremely extremely

1390
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,480
damaged and uh you know that's terrible

1391
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,480
but that and they were all just as you

1392
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:16,240
said they were in a tough time they were

1393
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:17,760
looking for something to believe in they

1394
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:20,559
got love bombed into it and and here we

1395
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,920
are you know

1396
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:23,119
yeah

1397
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,640
well i think it's great what you're

1398
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,559
doing i really commend what you're doing

1399
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,880
and honestly half of my shows half my

1400
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,040
show is covering french topics and the

1401
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,119
other half is kind of exposing the fraud

1402
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,440
that goes on and the con games and you

1403
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,440
know like the people that looks you know

1404
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,359
like people that i can catch hoaxing

1405
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,359
fake pictures of flying saucers i do

1406
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:42,880
stuff like that because i think people

1407
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,520
need to know i'm very cautious i'm a

1408
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:47,920
believer but a skeptical believer you

1409
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:50,079
know

1410
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,520
well i think you have to be really

1411
00:52:54,549 --> 00:52:53,599
discerning today and

1412
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,559
um

1413
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,079
you know

1414
00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:58,880
to some extent skeptical and just you

1415
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:05,510
we didn't live in very uncommon times

1416
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,559
but um

1417
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:08,960
i appreciate your calling you know i i'm

1418
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,030
and listen i would really you you say

1419
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,040
that you work in in these really cool

1420
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,280
areas i would love to do an interview

1421
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:21,200
with you just about your work and and i

1422
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,200
could hear you thank you because my my

1423
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,440
audience is very open-minded like i had

1424
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,280
a self-help person

1425
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,680
you know i've had a hypnotist on and had

1426
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,240
a mentalist that does you know like las

1427
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:34,319
vegas mentalism shows and he just talks

1428
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,119
about

1429
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:37,280
how the mind is so easily fooled and you

1430
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:39,040
know we had a great show out of that and

1431
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,720
we have uh

1432
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,480
all different kinds of guests on weird

1433
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:45,119
topics not that what you do is weird but

1434
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,800
you gotta admit it's a little bit

1435
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:49,680
non-traditional like you said

1436
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:52,000
well i think when when

1437
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:55,680
you talk to those of us who work with

1438
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,319
the subconscious mind which is really

1439
00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,880
the modality that i work with with my

1440
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,960
the bio feedback i do it's you know

1441
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:05,200
goose listens based on bruce lipton's

1442
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,280
luck i think when you talk about the

1443
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,280
subconscious mind

1444
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,920
there's a lot of um

1445
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,000
funny connotations

1446
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,040
but the subconscious mind really is

1447
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,960
you know such an important part of our

1448
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:20,079
psyche

1449
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,880
and

1450
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,040
when you look at it you know it's 95

1451
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,960
percent of what really motivates us yeah

1452
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,040
i was just going to say that i i've

1453
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,200
heard that the the conscious mind is 10

1454
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:31,599
and the and the subconscious is 90. well

1455
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,630
it well it's

1456
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,799
you have to look at those numbers

1457
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,880
you know i i think the because numbers

1458
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,160
don't lie you have to look at the

1459
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,480
numbers but i think that you know some

1460
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:46,880
of the older modalities that work with

1461
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,200
the subconscious mind like hypnotherapy

1462
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,319
is a very old modality and it's a

1463
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,480
modality where you know

1464
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,760
there's a control factor which is not

1465
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,119
what

1466
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,559
is really

1467
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,760
preferred

1468
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,760
i mean the whole issue

1469
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,520
that is important today is

1470
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:07,119
self-sovereignty

1471
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:08,799
is for you know all of us to be

1472
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,359
self-empowered and self-determined

1473
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,240
so any um modality

1474
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:17,200
that's working with that aim i think is

1475
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,640
useful and

1476
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,960
you know the modality that i work with

1477
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:21,839
is

1478
00:55:29,670 --> 00:55:25,760
different

1479
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:29,680
and um and i would i would love to um

1480
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,119
yeah listen this is what i'm gonna do

1481
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,839
i'm gonna i'm gonna email you and i will

1482
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,079
send you some example shows that i you

1483
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:37,920
know so you if you want to listen and

1484
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,960
you know kind of what my show is about

1485
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,200
well friends

1486
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:45,839
thank god for kind

1487
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,559
people right

1488
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,480
i found that sometimes when i picked up

1489
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,720
the phone and tried to gain some insight

1490
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,079
into something

1491
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,799
you know i got rewarded for having the

1492
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,559
courage to do that

1493
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,079
sometimes you find good people and they

1494
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,520
could really shed some light on

1495
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,599
something that you're looking into and

1496
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:05,119
this previous call is certainly an

1497
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:06,720
example of that i think i have a greater

1498
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,400
understanding of what's going on with

1499
00:56:11,670 --> 00:56:09,920
this thing

1500
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,680
now my friends is a good time for us to

1501
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:13,520
take a short break for station

1502
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,160
identification and a few words from our

1503
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:18,000
distributor sponsors

1504
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:26,340
this is

1505
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,079
[Music]

1506
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,319
welcome back my friends you're listening

1507
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:38,799
to the midnight hour and we're gonna

1508
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,319
continue our journey right now

1509
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,480
okay so this next call is the most

1510
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,680
important

1511
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:48,000
uh because previous

1512
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,520
to this call

1513
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,480
i had called this person undercover and

1514
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:54,079
told them that i was suffering from

1515
00:56:59,589 --> 00:56:56,319
crippling suicidal depression and i was

1516
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,599
gonna blow my brains out any minute

1517
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,359
if i didn't get some psychological

1518
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:03,040
counseling and help

1519
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,640
and this person

1520
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,520
swore that they could help me

1521
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:10,559
with her alien superpowers that's right

1522
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,000
folks this person has alien super powers

1523
00:57:19,829 --> 00:57:16,640
superpowers to heal people given to her

1524
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,839
by octorion aliens so forget about the

1525
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:22,559
psychologists or the psychiatrists that

1526
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,319
you really need while you're suffering

1527
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:26,400
from that crippling suicidal depression

1528
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,880
that you're telling me that you have

1529
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,119
yeah i can help you with that disorder

1530
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:33,760
even though i'm not state licensed too

1531
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:36,880
and i'm absolutely whack-a-doodle cause

1532
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,839
i think i have alien superpowers send me

1533
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,680
some money

1534
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,680
folks i sent in another person who told

1535
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:45,359
this woman that she had crippling

1536
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,400
depression brought about by a breakup of

1537
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:50,480
a marriage and she needed psychological

1538
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,799
counseling and again this woman offered

1539
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,119
her services

1540
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,119
if people are asking for psychological

1541
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,960
counseling and you're not state licensed

1542
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:00,960
to do so you can't

1543
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:05,990
folks

1544
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,559
this next call is the most important one

1545
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,040
because you know what i did after this i

1546
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:12,880
said let's call her back and tell her

1547
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,760
the truth and see what she says right

1548
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:17,520
i'm gonna call her back tell her that

1549
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,359
i'm a radio show host doing a story on

1550
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,520
this stuff and why are you doing this

1551
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,160
let's get the gotcha moment

1552
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,480
listen this is crazy i'm gonna call her

1553
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,079
back and tell her the truth and then

1554
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,920
we're gonna see what she says

1555
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:32,880
but listen i gotta do it i just gotta do

1556
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:35,920
it look you may disagree with my methods

1557
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:38,240
right you may not think this is a good

1558
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:41,200
idea i think it's a good idea right she

1559
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,839
deserves this like i gotta call her back

1560
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:45,920
and tell her the truth let's see what

1561
00:59:04,549 --> 00:58:59,430
hello

1562
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:04,559
speaking

1563
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,760
hello miss my name is stephen and i have

1564
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:09,680
a radio show that's on every saturday

1565
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,240
night at midnight on the fringe fm i'm

1566
00:59:16,829 --> 00:59:14,960
doing a story on this disclosure support

1567
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,839
network that you're a part

1568
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,599
of oh yes

1569
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,119
i wondered if you could answer a few

1570
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,559
questions about what it is you do

1571
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,559
because i'm kind of confused

1572
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,799
um then you have to pardon my ignorance

1573
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,040
i've never heard of a certified tuning

1574
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:31,280
fork therapy can you tell me what that

1575
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:33,119
is

1576
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,160
yes so it's using a very ancient sound

1577
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:39,440
therapy so basically uh tunic four

1578
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,839
therapy is using very specific attune

1579
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:45,440
instrument

1580
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,359
that create sound vibration and binaural

1581
00:59:52,789 --> 00:59:50,640
beat

1582
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,799
that helps to heal

1583
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:54,640
align the body

1584
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:57,440
remove blockages it has different

1585
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:58,839
properties

1586
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:02,000
using the tunic forks and you can

1587
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:03,920
utilize on the body

1588
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,119
as well as around in the org field so it

1589
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,920
has multiple properties

1590
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:11,599
okay and

1591
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,880
i'm a little i don't know what

1592
01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:15,280
holographic healing technique as taught

1593
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,440
by the seventh dimension

1594
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:19,760
octorian collective are you saying that

1595
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:22,880
aliens taught you this stuff

1596
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,720
well you can talk you can call them

1597
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:27,040
alien or you can call them your star

1598
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:28,960
brother and sister such as another

1599
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:31,440
civilizations who have ascended a long

1600
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,280
time ago oh yeah

1601
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,119
yeah i'm asking you questions with with

1602
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,119
great respect i don't mean you to get

1603
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,799
the wrong idea i just want to know i

1604
01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,480
just want to be clear in what you mean

1605
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,559
when you say holographic healing

1606
01:00:47,270 --> 01:00:44,559
technique as taught by the seventh

1607
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:47,280
dimension octorian collective i've heard

1608
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,760
of octorian aliens but i don't know very

1609
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:51,359
much about them can you tell me about

1610
01:00:55,829 --> 01:00:53,119
them

1611
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:55,839
yes so the arcturians are known to be

1612
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:59,040
one of the most advanced civilizations

1613
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,480
uh known

1614
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:02,160
to the earth

1615
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:04,559
think of them as a civilization that has

1616
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:07,680
evolved oh my goodness like eons ago

1617
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:10,079
and they have attained a level of

1618
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,520
enlightenment

1619
01:01:15,510 --> 01:01:13,359
and of course you know they have evolved

1620
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:15,520
as a civilization so

1621
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,319
um

1622
01:01:21,030 --> 01:01:19,200
as an ambassador and also a blended

1623
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:21,040
conscious channel for them

1624
01:01:26,230 --> 01:01:23,839
then i i've been in connection with them

1625
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:26,240
my entire life yeah you know i just saw

1626
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:28,079
i just checked your name and i see the a

1627
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:29,760
youtube video a message from the

1628
01:01:35,349 --> 01:01:32,640
actuarians for 2019. i should i should

1629
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,359
listen to that

1630
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,160
yes that's wonderful and

1631
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:40,720
they're really think of them your turns

1632
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:43,520
always says think of us as a

1633
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:45,599
future models

1634
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,720
for

1635
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:49,119
human beings you know they're really

1636
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,040
holding a space so we can return to

1637
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,599
who we really are in every aspect and

1638
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:57,359
not just from the illusions of what we

1639
01:02:02,950 --> 01:01:59,280
have been programmed to believe

1640
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,960
so it's a big huge um positive of course

1641
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,119
reversal of thought system

1642
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:07,839
we're re-returning to our profound

1643
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:09,039
nature

1644
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:12,319
as individual but also as a civilization

1645
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,160
well that makes more sense now i've

1646
01:02:19,109 --> 01:02:16,240
heard of reiki i know what that is um

1647
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,119
but you mentioned theta healing

1648
01:02:22,789 --> 01:02:21,200
can you tell me what theta healing is

1649
01:02:23,589 --> 01:02:22,799
because i don't i don't know what that

1650
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,599
is

1651
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,960
and uh

1652
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:27,039
heart math coach i noticed a lot of the

1653
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,520
counselors in this disclosure network or

1654
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:31,599
disclosure support network mentioned

1655
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,599
heart math coach i don't know what that

1656
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:34,720
is

1657
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,200
of course so let's go back to set a

1658
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:39,760
healing tita work directly with the

1659
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,160
realm of decoding

1660
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,200
um the subconscious mind so we know that

1661
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,680
the subconscious mind is at least 88

1662
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,920
percent of the of the mind as a public

1663
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,160
conscious is only 12

1664
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:54,319
so everything that

1665
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:57,200
from childhood moving forward

1666
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:58,640
everything that

1667
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:01,280
an individual has acquired in terms of

1668
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:02,480
patterns

1669
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:04,960
belief systems imprint

1670
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:07,520
a phrase an imprint something that just

1671
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,720
went for

1672
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,039
itself and the subconscious

1673
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,359
created a program around which an

1674
01:03:18,630 --> 01:03:16,000
individual will grow up and changes

1675
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,640
their behavior their perspectives how

1676
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:20,319
they perceive themselves

1677
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:24,000
and so see that healing goes right

1678
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:27,599
in the subconscious to be able to pull

1679
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:31,280
all limited patterns and belief system

1680
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,440
to reprogram so you work with the neural

1681
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,680
pathway it helps to also connect new

1682
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:37,440
memory connectors

1683
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:40,240
um you know working with the dna working

1684
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,119
with

1685
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,680
it's just amazing it's pretty much

1686
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:45,839
the realm of the subconscious mind and

1687
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:48,319
it does wonder i love data healing

1688
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:50,720
now the heart melt institute

1689
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:52,880
is located in california

1690
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:55,280
and a few years ago i came across their

1691
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:56,480
program

1692
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:59,920
they're very heart focused based in ways

1693
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,960
that it's

1694
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,119
bringing people practical tools to

1695
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,559
manage stress

1696
01:04:10,230 --> 01:04:06,960
reduce anxiety and to be able to be more

1697
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:10,240
resilient so it opened another aspect of

1698
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,599
how we can

1699
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:12,880
you know

1700
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,760
on top our potential as human beings

1701
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,680
or also divine beings

1702
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,079
and the heart metal institute is very

1703
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,079
advanced in their research

1704
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,720
around the intelligence of the heart and

1705
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:27,280
in connection with your higher mind

1706
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,559
so i became a coach with them a mentor

1707
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,480
several years ago and

1708
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:34,319
you know they have wonderful techniques

1709
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,920
just

1710
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:38,160
one quickly on top of my head it's

1711
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,559
called a heart focused breathing

1712
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:42,720
technique and this one is really

1713
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:45,039
redirecting the way we breathe which

1714
01:04:48,390 --> 01:04:46,319
activate

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01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,400
um the cells and the memory and the

1716
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,640
intelligence of the heart

1717
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:53,520
so it's just it's it's a wonderful and

1718
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:55,039
institute

1719
01:05:00,309 --> 01:04:57,200
okay and i guess the other question you

1720
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,319
your uh your listing here on this

1721
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,559
uh disclosure support network says that

1722
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,799
you do intuitive readings would that be

1723
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:06,880
like psychic readings

1724
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,000
yeah that's a great question i don't i'm

1725
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,160
not keen around the word psychic because

1726
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,920
of the connotation

1727
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:16,160
intuitive readings meaning i utilize

1728
01:05:21,109 --> 01:05:18,799
different tools but basically to me the

1729
01:05:24,309 --> 01:05:21,119
way it looks like it's like opening a

1730
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,319
window with the person i speak with and

1731
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,880
i look into the life path i see what

1732
01:05:31,109 --> 01:05:29,200
cycle is just coming through and what

1733
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:31,119
things are moving forward

1734
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,760
so it's it's more like very intuitive um

1735
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:38,160
of reading where the information comes

1736
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,920
and then i use different tools to help

1737
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:41,599
to support

1738
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:43,920
the reading in terms of directions

1739
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,880
guidance helping people to understand

1740
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:49,520
aspect of themselves as well as the life

1741
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,640
journey

1742
01:05:55,670 --> 01:05:53,280
uh i'll give you an example i had a

1743
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,680
young lady from california i did a

1744
01:06:01,109 --> 01:05:58,400
reading for her last week and

1745
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:01,119
i can see through her life and she

1746
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,640
had

1747
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,640
very important trauma

1748
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:06,559
but at the same time i was seeing also

1749
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,240
how she was able to overcome those

1750
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,480
trauma so that opened the window to a

1751
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,880
whole different discussion where we took

1752
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:14,960
her reading in a direction where she

1753
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:17,359
shared with me the source of those

1754
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:19,520
trauma and then we end up doing a little

1755
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,400
bit of clearing for her at the same time

1756
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:24,240
so you know it's

1757
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,480
i call it intuitive reading rather than

1758
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:28,319
psychic because i

1759
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:30,839
to avoid the label around

1760
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:32,720
it connotation that some people have

1761
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:36,000
when you mention that word i understand

1762
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,880
yes

1763
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,720
i knew you would i'm trying i'm trying

1764
01:06:42,309 --> 01:06:40,559
to understand though this disclosure

1765
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,319
support network is supposed to be for

1766
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,720
people who need support

1767
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,119
that's centered around aliens or maybe

1768
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:49,680
some alien experiences or some of the

1769
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,799
things that are happening with

1770
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,280
disclosure is that correct

1771
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,680
it's an aspect of it uh from what i

1772
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:57,760
understand in terms of being oh i'm

1773
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,000
sorry do you do counseling for people

1774
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:02,079
that are having issues with aliens or

1775
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:04,720
ufos or stuff like that

1776
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:07,680
yes i took what i call them consultation

1777
01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:10,480
uh so i guess i do whether it's

1778
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,799
understanding an aspect of themselves as

1779
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,480
a star seat

1780
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:16,960
they have a connection to other realms

1781
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:18,880
or other civilizations

1782
01:07:23,589 --> 01:07:21,760
for the experiences is to be able to

1783
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:23,599
you know even if you want to clear their

1784
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,559
ancestral lineage in terms of contracts

1785
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:29,039
and agreements since we're

1786
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:31,520
moving and changing and also you know we

1787
01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:33,440
have the right to say you know what i

1788
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:34,880
have this agreement that they're so

1789
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:37,680
level from the karmic ties but i want to

1790
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:39,520
renegotiate a few things i'm able to

1791
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,200
bring resolution

1792
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:43,520
so it's the way i approach it it's a

1793
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:45,920
little bit more a vast or broader

1794
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:48,480
umbrella it's not just sure but but

1795
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,119
here's my specific interest is that this

1796
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,760
disclosure support network is uh is

1797
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:55,680
mentioning services like trauma

1798
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:58,160
post-traumatic stress therapy

1799
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,720
spiritual awakening emergency support

1800
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:02,559
you provide services for that kind of

1801
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:06,400
stuff hypnosis pace life regression

1802
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,520
do you do all those services

1803
01:08:13,750 --> 01:08:12,160
well i'm specialized in my own ways

1804
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:13,760
which will

1805
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:14,799
cover

1806
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:23,520
purged so the way we provide my team and

1807
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,000
i is to really helping any form of any

1808
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,880
anchor anything that will hold someone

1809
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:33,600
in their spiritual growth and evolution

1810
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,920
whether it's a term in terms of trauma

1811
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,400
whether it's an experience with

1812
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,120
you know lower frequencies or others et

1813
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:43,600
civilizations will have other form of

1814
01:08:47,189 --> 01:08:45,199
approach that's what i was going to ask

1815
01:08:49,510 --> 01:08:47,199
there's a they mentioned abduction and

1816
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,520
et contact experiencer support so if

1817
01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:51,679
somebody's being abducted or they're

1818
01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,040
being in contact with aliens you do some

1819
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:58,000
kind of counseling sessions to help them

1820
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,120
yes that's that that aspect is included

1821
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,960
yes okay and then they mention

1822
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,880
addictions therapy too so if somebody

1823
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,640
has a problem with drugs or alcohol you

1824
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,279
can help them with these therapies

1825
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,120
that's a great approach yeah that would

1826
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,279
be a great approach in theta because any

1827
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:15,920
form of addiction take root somewhere so

1828
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:17,920
we ought to identify where the root came

1829
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:20,239
from so that would be that's great so

1830
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:22,080
you can offer you can offer counseling

1831
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,440
sessions for people that have problems

1832
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:25,839
with drug and alcohol too

1833
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,880
yes because there are addictions and

1834
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:30,000
you know

1835
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,799
taking the time to answer my questions

1836
01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,719
but i guess one of the questions that i

1837
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,799
would have is are you like state

1838
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,480
certified to be able to provide

1839
01:09:44,709 --> 01:09:42,400
counseling sessions for people that are

1840
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,719
having post-traumatic stress or that are

1841
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:45,920
having addiction

1842
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,880
therapy or or not

1843
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,159
like do you have

1844
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,880
a state certification what state are you

1845
01:09:59,590 --> 01:09:54,080
in

1846
01:10:02,790 --> 01:09:59,600
on the level of practitioner and

1847
01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:02,800
level of services i have different um

1848
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,960
license in terms of you know with

1849
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,960
atheila healing institute with a heart

1850
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,360
managed to choose in other aspects this

1851
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:11,360
way

1852
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,800
for a long time what i'm asking

1853
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:14,640
specifically is that in the state of

1854
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,320
arizona you need a state board certified

1855
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,320
certificate to offer counseling services

1856
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:22,480
for things like post-traumatic stress or

1857
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:23,440
for

1858
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,719
addiction

1859
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:27,360
uh you know counseling do you have those

1860
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:33,590
i don't know you so i'm kind enough to

1861
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,960
answer your questions so let me get

1862
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,560
something straight

1863
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,000
what you are

1864
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:40,320
labeling as terms of counseling and

1865
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,120
everything has a very broad umbrella in

1866
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,520
the state of arizona it doesn't mean

1867
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,120
that you have to be licensed with the

1868
01:10:50,630 --> 01:10:49,600
state to provide certain services so i

1869
01:10:53,189 --> 01:10:50,640
think there might be a little bit of

1870
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,199
confusion on the label here so i'm

1871
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:55,840
inviting you to just to very listen to

1872
01:11:00,310 --> 01:10:58,239
everything i've provided so far and just

1873
01:11:01,990 --> 01:11:00,320
so you know and rewarding because

1874
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:02,000
vocabulary and language is very

1875
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,600
important yes and listen everything i

1876
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,360
just let's both take a step back because

1877
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:07,040
i i don't want you to get the wrong idea

1878
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,320
i'm just trying to be clear about

1879
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:13,280
the this disclosure support network is

1880
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,560
offering

1881
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,520
these services and then when i get to

1882
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:18,719
the people

1883
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:21,120
uh it doesn't appear to me as an

1884
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:22,560
outsider looking in that they're

1885
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:25,520
qualified or state legally able to offer

1886
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,199
some of these services that's all i'm

1887
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:29,199
saying and i want you to know that i

1888
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,600
have a full belief in your uh

1889
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,520
in your right to do these alternative

1890
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,679
therapies if people know they're you

1891
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:37,520
know what i mean but i'm just a little

1892
01:11:42,470 --> 01:11:40,239
concerned that you're providing

1893
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,480
therapy to people that have depression

1894
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:44,719
or addiction or post traumatic stress or

1895
01:11:47,350 --> 01:11:45,760
trauma

1896
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:47,360
and you're not

1897
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,880
legally

1898
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,960
certified to do that in your state

1899
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,040
because there's you know there's certain

1900
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,040
laws about that kind of stuff but i

1901
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:57,760
fully support your ability to do this

1902
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,520
alternative therapy stuff i'm just a

1903
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:01,760
little unclear because it seems to me

1904
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,440
like a lot of people on this disclosure

1905
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:05,840
support network are not

1906
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,560
state certified to be able to provide

1907
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,560
counseling and you've said that you do

1908
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,800
provide counseling for these things

1909
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,719
yeah but what counseling means it may

1910
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:16,080
not be that's really the

1911
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,080
three-dimensional aspect

1912
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:20,239
you have to make sure that most of the

1913
01:12:23,750 --> 01:12:22,239
practitioner or a lot of them i cannot

1914
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,760
speak for everybody i can only see for

1915
01:12:27,669 --> 01:12:24,880
myself

1916
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,679
with providing from a holistic

1917
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:30,159
or even higher dimensional level

1918
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,000
but somebody needs a 3d counselor

1919
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,560
with a phd well they will go see a

1920
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,600
counselor in 3d with a phd

1921
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:42,080
but that's what i'm i'm inviting you to

1922
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:43,920
make a difference so when you look at

1923
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,560
any profile on those disclosure groups

1924
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,159
to make a difference

1925
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,159
so i

1926
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,000
to be very honest with you and i want to

1927
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,000
be i just want to be honest with you i

1928
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,840
don't hold you know i don't want you to

1929
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:57,760
get the wrong idea i'm i'm not trying to

1930
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,159
be difficult or or you know back you

1931
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,640
into a corner but i believe that it's

1932
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,360
illegal for you to offer counseling

1933
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,360
services for addiction post-traumatic

1934
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:09,120
stress and trauma and things like that

1935
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,080
if you're not a state board certified

1936
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,560
counselor that's what i'm saying

1937
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:16,320
so you're not a state board certified

1938
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,920
counselor for those things right you

1939
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,239
don't have a state certification to

1940
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,840
provide

1941
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,120
counseling services like a

1942
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:25,360
psychotherapist or a

1943
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:28,000
a psychiatrist would

1944
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,480
i never say i was a psychologist or a

1945
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:32,719
psychiatrist if that's what you look for

1946
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,440
you go look i don't know you the phone

1947
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,440
said private number i don't even know if

1948
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,120
you call it already i told you my name

1949
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,040
is stephen and i do a radio show and i'm

1950
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:42,640
covering a story on this disclosure

1951
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:50,790
okay well listen i don't i just i don't

1952
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,640
want to just say things i wanted to call

1953
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,320
the people directly like you and get

1954
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,760
your side of the story that's all i'm

1955
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:57,520
trying to do and i'm being very well i

1956
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:01,040
did i provided to you

1957
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,080
another question that i had a few more

1958
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:07,440
and that was it folks she hung up

1959
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:09,679
look i try to keep her on the phone i

1960
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,600
try to get as much information out of

1961
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:13,679
her as possible i try to confront her i

1962
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,640
try to do my best so you guys could see

1963
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,719
some of the stuff that i'm trying to get

1964
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:20,400
to here

1965
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:22,239
some of the truth that these people

1966
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:24,880
don't want revealed

1967
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:27,199
look i'm doing my best

1968
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:29,679
i did the best i could with her

1969
01:14:32,149 --> 01:14:30,880
and uh

1970
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,159
she just kind of hung up on me she

1971
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,760
didn't want to answer any more questions

1972
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,239
i tried three more times folks three

1973
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,440
more times both by email and phone

1974
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:42,480
she would not uh take additional calls

1975
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:50,709
i don't know what i'm left with except

1976
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,679
this

1977
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:53,920
i'm doing my best here i'm just asking

1978
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:56,320
questions if some people are pissed off

1979
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:58,960
by those questions then

1980
01:15:06,790 --> 01:15:01,840
i'm not sorry

1981
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:09,750
sometimes i wonder why it's me or why i

1982
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,159
think it's me like

1983
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:13,679
what gives me the right to call these

1984
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:16,800
people and ask these questions

1985
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:19,520
i don't know you know i think people

1986
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:21,440
need to hear this i think people want to

1987
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:27,910
i think uh

1988
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,360
i gotta do it

1989
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:31,120
so i did

1990
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:34,239
and i i you know i'm not sorry

1991
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,840
i'm trying to get to the truth

1992
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,840
of these things and i'm trying to bring

1993
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,840
it to my listeners

1994
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:43,920
the very best way

1995
01:15:54,149 --> 01:15:51,110
all i can do is ask questions

1996
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,159
some people don't like my questions

1997
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:56,880
some people are tired of hearing

1998
01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:59,920
the same old questions from me

1999
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:02,239
but i keep asking them

2000
01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:04,080
i keep trying to move

2001
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:10,229
let's figure it out

2002
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:12,159
what's this thing about

2003
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:13,520
so far

2004
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:16,159
this disclosure support network

2005
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,590
and a joke

2006
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,430
the fact is that most of the people

2007
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:27,440
involved with this so-called

2008
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:30,159
organization didn't know who set it up

2009
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:31,840
who was behind it

2010
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:35,520
or why it was formed

2011
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:38,960
by all accounts this is one big failure

2012
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:41,760
just another failure of corey goodes

2013
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,440
they got swept under the rug

2014
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,760
this is the failed con

2015
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:49,920
in a long list of cons

2016
01:16:55,030 --> 01:16:52,640
set up by a ufo

2017
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:55,040
cosmic con man

2018
01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:57,440
didn't quite work out the way he thought

2019
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:58,800
and even people that are supposed to be

2020
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:01,040
working for him are saying he's not

2021
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:03,920
relevant he's not credible they're far

2022
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:06,320
more important

2023
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,800
disclosure advocates than him

2024
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,159
these are the people that are supposed

2025
01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:13,120
to be working for him in an organization

2026
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:15,840
that he formed and and this is what

2027
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,239
people are saying

2028
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:20,159
about the so-called

2029
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:23,520
ufo messiah

2030
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,520
here we go folks

2031
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:27,360
and you know what

2032
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:31,040
there's some more calls to be made

2033
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,840
there's some more insight to be found

2034
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,280
into this

2035
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:37,280
crazy story

2036
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:38,239
so

2037
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:40,239
let's pick up the phone

2038
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:41,679
let's ask

2039
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:53,110
hello

2040
01:18:02,950 --> 01:17:59,679
speaking hi good evening miss haber um

2041
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,960
my name is steven uh i uh have a radio

2042
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,280
show on the fringe fm

2043
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:06,480
uh

2044
01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:08,480
and i'm doing a story about this

2045
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:10,840
disclosure support

2046
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,000
network oh and i was trying to talk to

2047
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,080
some of the members that are listed here

2048
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,840
and i was having a really hard time i

2049
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,760
was hoping maybe you could answer a few

2050
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:22,080
questions for me about this

2051
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:24,400
well perhaps i don't know i mean it

2052
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,159
hasn't the thing is probably the

2053
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,600
difficulty

2054
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:30,080
we signed up for something initially but

2055
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:34,159
not a lot that i'm aware of has been

2056
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:35,440
followed

2057
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:38,000
developed right okay

2058
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,960
um

2059
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,400
we just said we'd make ourselves

2060
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:42,880
available but not i think i was

2061
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,199
contacted once or twice

2062
01:18:49,430 --> 01:18:47,280
okay um yeah and you have a note on your

2063
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:49,440
side yours that says anyone mentioning

2064
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:51,440
disclosure composure corey good or

2065
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:53,520
anything cosmic related gets

2066
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,120
like a discount initial consult and

2067
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:58,239
treatment for forty dollar love donation

2068
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:01,760
oh yeah well except i retired

2069
01:19:08,310 --> 01:19:05,600
now oh good for you i bet you earned it

2070
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:08,320
ah yeah so i must have signed up quite

2071
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,400
some time ago because i've been retired

2072
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,400
for about two and a half years now

2073
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,800
well miss haber i i see you're a

2074
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:17,040
acupuncturist and you're licensed in

2075
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,239
california from the national board

2076
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:22,719
right but that was then

2077
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,080
like i said um i am now in ohio and and

2078
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:28,000
retired in i think

2079
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:29,600
2017

2080
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:30,960
or 16.

2081
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:34,000
okay yeah oh so yeah listed here some

2082
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:37,679
time ago then yeah yeah

2083
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:39,920
yeah

2084
01:19:47,350 --> 01:19:45,280
listed on here did they approach you and

2085
01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:47,360
ask you if you would be a member of this

2086
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:50,320
disclosure support network thing uh you

2087
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,000
know i i was active on a lot of

2088
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:56,800
different boards like you know on reddit

2089
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,679
or

2090
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,600
different

2091
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:02,640
and following that community and and if

2092
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,480
you've had anything to do with any of

2093
01:20:08,629 --> 01:20:06,239
that you know it's very

2094
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,639
uh rabbit hole like you get here you go

2095
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,320
there you go there you go there and you

2096
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,639
go here so i don't know

2097
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,320
i've been down this ufo rabbit hole

2098
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,480
since i was a child so i know exactly

2099
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,520
what you're talking about absolutely

2100
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:21,120
oh

2101
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:23,440
yeah yeah um

2102
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:25,920
the point of my story miss haber though

2103
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:28,159
and what has me so concerned about this

2104
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,199
is that

2105
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:31,920
it appears to me and i've been sort of

2106
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:34,480
investigating this for some time now

2107
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:35,840
that there's a lot of people on this

2108
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:36,639
list

2109
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,679
that are not qualified to do any sort of

2110
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,920
counseling like i found one guy that's

2111
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,679
only qualification was that he was like

2112
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:45,600
a registered minister and could perform

2113
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:47,040
marriages

2114
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,639
yet he's often

2115
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,400
yet he's offering counseling services

2116
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:52,400
and he doesn't have a license you know

2117
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,639
you know because your state you were you

2118
01:20:58,310 --> 01:20:55,760
were uh

2119
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,320
you know certified acupuncture you need

2120
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,480
a license to do acupuncture

2121
01:21:04,870 --> 01:21:02,159
it's the same thing with counseling and

2122
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:04,880
it looks to me miss haber that a lot of

2123
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:06,639
these people on the list i'm not

2124
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:08,800
including you in that of course right

2125
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:11,600
but a lot of people on this list are not

2126
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:15,600
qualified or legally even able to

2127
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,360
counsel people for things like

2128
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:19,840
post-traumatic stress depression

2129
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,280
anxiety

2130
01:21:26,709 --> 01:21:24,560
drug addiction and they're that that's

2131
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,719
kind of strange to me

2132
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,719
yeah i said well a couple things the two

2133
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:30,480
things about that one is i'm sure

2134
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,960
there's just a lot of very well-meaning

2135
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,040
people who feel like they can help you

2136
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:36,960
know and then the other thing is that

2137
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:39,280
there's a lot of different like energy

2138
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,480
work

2139
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:42,800
and things that energy psychology lots

2140
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,600
of things that there is no licensure for

2141
01:21:50,229 --> 01:21:48,239
yeah i'm aware of energy healing and and

2142
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,239
things like that yeah and reiki and

2143
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:52,159
things like that sure

2144
01:21:56,709 --> 01:21:53,199
yeah

2145
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,719
um many many many many modalities in

2146
01:22:02,550 --> 01:21:59,760
fact in the energy medicine field but

2147
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:02,560
there is no certification at this time

2148
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:05,040
so you know maybe that's that i guess

2149
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:07,040
though the gray area that i see is that

2150
01:22:11,110 --> 01:22:09,920
if somebody comes to you let's say with

2151
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:11,120
um

2152
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,440
and you're right gonna treat them for

2153
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:17,679
post-traumatic stress disorder i don't

2154
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:19,199
know it appears to me that this

2155
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:20,480
counseling thing is saying we're gonna

2156
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:21,840
offer you counseling and then you're

2157
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,360
gonna give them some kind of energy

2158
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:25,199
treatment for post-traumatic stress

2159
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,719
instead and you're right these people

2160
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,199
may be well-intentioned but it's it's

2161
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,040
kind of a dangerous road to let people

2162
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:33,600
go down i think what if somebody's

2163
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:35,920
suicidally depressed and then they go to

2164
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:37,760
one of these energy people instead of

2165
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,800
going to a certified counselor you know

2166
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:43,199
right right right well

2167
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:47,040
that's the nature of the beast a and b

2168
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,320
um

2169
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:50,560
you know depending on the individual i

2170
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:52,719
mean all of that the counseling actually

2171
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:55,360
was within my scope and and energy work

2172
01:22:58,870 --> 01:22:57,679
all of that was in my scope so i i was

2173
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,880
very comfortable

2174
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:00,719
and i would ask you if somebody came to

2175
01:23:04,950 --> 01:23:02,880
you through this disclosure network

2176
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,960
support network and said i'm suicidally

2177
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,639
depressed and i need treatment what

2178
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:08,400
would you do

2179
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:11,440
well i said i'd be glad to um do an

2180
01:23:16,550 --> 01:23:14,239
adjunctive treatment like acupuncture is

2181
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,560
most definitely uh

2182
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:18,239
indicated for

2183
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,800
depression but i would say in

2184
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:23,440
in conjunction with a good therapist i

2185
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,639
would be glad to be a part of a team but

2186
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,560
i cannot see that's what i think is the

2187
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:30,800
uh that's what i think is the reputable

2188
01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:33,199
and ethical way to handle a request like

2189
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:34,960
that but i don't

2190
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:36,639
to be honest with you miss haber it

2191
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:38,480
doesn't look to me like you're the only

2192
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:40,239
person that answered that question right

2193
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,270
that's too bad you know i

2194
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:48,960
so i wanted to ask you what you know

2195
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,480
about the person that started this

2196
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,239
because whether you know it or not it

2197
01:23:55,830 --> 01:23:54,000
was started by corey goode and his

2198
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,840
manager

2199
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:57,280
yeah

2200
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,880
do you know is there some kind of

2201
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,800
financial arrangement involved with this

2202
01:24:04,390 --> 01:24:02,480
like does do you guys have to kick him

2203
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:04,400
back some money if you get a booking or

2204
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,719
something or what is the deal why would

2205
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:09,040
this guy start this

2206
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:10,159
um i

2207
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,880
think that is because

2208
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,159
i just

2209
01:24:18,550 --> 01:24:16,800
i don't think it's like a a whiffer

2210
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:18,560
thing you know like what's in it for me

2211
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,960
kind of thing i believed at the time

2212
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:23,120
that it was just an altruistic thing

2213
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:25,600
because there will be a need

2214
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:28,840
for people after disclosure you know

2215
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,560
even i mean there's layers and stages of

2216
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:34,639
the great awakening and disclosure

2217
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:36,800
there's so many aspects to it and people

2218
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,280
are going to be freaked out you know so

2219
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,679
and there are

2220
01:24:46,470 --> 01:24:43,360
i think

2221
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,480
it was a well-intentioned idea like look

2222
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:47,920
you got to help your neighbors see the

2223
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:50,480
people in the alternative communities

2224
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,719
have had years to digest and process

2225
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:56,880
all of all of the strange things that

2226
01:25:02,950 --> 01:24:57,520
are

2227
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,960
people don't have that opportunity

2228
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,960
and who are they going to go to i mean

2229
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,120
you can't even go to a certified

2230
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:09,840
clinical psychologist and go oh my god

2231
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:11,199
there's you know

2232
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,760
aliens walking among us it turns out or

2233
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,000
it turns out that every you know all the

2234
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,000
church i go to they're molesting and

2235
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:20,000
trafficking children oh my god i'm going

2236
01:25:25,270 --> 01:25:21,600
to go insane

2237
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,280
and a lot of the even trained

2238
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:27,520
uh mental health field won't know what

2239
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:29,199
the hell to do with

2240
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:30,560
now they're probably

2241
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:33,760
true that i kind of understand but

2242
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:36,639
yeah i guess my major concern is that

2243
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:38,400
some of these people

2244
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,639
that may come to these

2245
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,040
people on these lists are in real

2246
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,960
trouble and need real help and not you

2247
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,480
know right

2248
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,560
and it seems to me to be

2249
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,159
you know quite honestly a little bit of

2250
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:52,639
this seems like a con game you know i'm

2251
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,360
not saying you miss haber of course i'm

2252
01:25:59,910 --> 01:25:57,520
saying some of these people on this list

2253
01:26:02,709 --> 01:25:59,920
like some guy that's only qualification

2254
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:02,719
is being able to perform marriages in

2255
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,600
his state does not also mean that he can

2256
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:07,520
offer counseling sessions for people

2257
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,480
that are similarly depressed you know

2258
01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:11,840
absolutely

2259
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:17,040
it's going to be

2260
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:19,920
this is new territory you know i mean

2261
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:22,480
there are going to be people such as

2262
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,360
like myself who is completely alienated

2263
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:27,600
from old friends and family who are now

2264
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,880
going to go

2265
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:31,040
who do i know that i could even talk to

2266
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,880
about this now you know what i mean it's

2267
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,400
like people are going to be

2268
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:36,560
not knowing where to turn and yes there

2269
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:37,760
will be

2270
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:40,560
parasitic types always that are going to

2271
01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,719
take advantage of these confused and

2272
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:45,040
sorry people well miss haber i'm afraid

2273
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:46,960
that i believe that corey goode is at

2274
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,960
the top of the list of those people

2275
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:52,239
okay

2276
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:53,600
why so

2277
01:26:57,910 --> 01:26:55,600
i haven't thought about corey in quite

2278
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:57,920
some time i mean that i've been i do

2279
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,400
this radio show uh and

2280
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,480
honestly half of my radio show is like

2281
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:05,040
talking about fringe topics like ufos

2282
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:06,080
and

2283
01:27:11,990 --> 01:27:10,320
uh you know alien visitation ancient

2284
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,000
alien theories but the other half of my

2285
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:14,480
show really is looking into some of the

2286
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,199
people making these claims

2287
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,960
and seeing whether they're telling the

2288
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:21,040
truth or not and i gotta tell you i

2289
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:23,360
don't believe a word that that man says

2290
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:24,719
i i think he

2291
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:27,520
made up his entire story everything he

2292
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:29,280
got that from a book that was written

2293
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,520
five years prior to him coming out

2294
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:32,880
his producer

2295
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:35,199
on the cosmic disclosure television show

2296
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:37,040
just came out and said that he believes

2297
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:38,560
the guy is just a complete and total

2298
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:40,480
fraud recently

2299
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:42,000
and that was the producer of his

2300
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:43,920
television show saying this

2301
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,320
there's so much evidence that he just

2302
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:48,000
made

2303
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:50,639
wait wait wait when you say the producer

2304
01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:53,040
of his television you're not talking

2305
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:54,880
about david wilcock

2306
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:57,199
no i'm talking about jay widener who

2307
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:58,800
produced the show

2308
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,280
david wilcock and corey good on it

2309
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,440
called cosmic disclosure that's where

2310
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:05,600
corey good rose to fame kind of from

2311
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:08,080
that television show with with david

2312
01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:10,159
wilcock interviewing him

2313
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:12,880
so yeah the producer behind that show

2314
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,679
now says that corey goode has just made

2315
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:17,840
the entire story up and there's and

2316
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:19,280
they're threatening to sue each other

2317
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:21,120
and there's just like this big battle

2318
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,560
you know

2319
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:24,000
i do

2320
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:25,120
i

2321
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:30,239
the name of that um

2322
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:33,920
gaia gaia tv tv yes

2323
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:37,360
yeah uh that um they have been taken

2324
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:40,480
over and infiltrated by luciferian types

2325
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,280
and

2326
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:43,520
um no that's not i don't believe that's

2327
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:44,960
true miss hebrew i don't believe that's

2328
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:47,920
true at all i believe this is that spin

2329
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,400
from corey goode and uh and from david

2330
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:53,040
wilcock who got fired basically

2331
01:28:57,830 --> 01:28:55,520
or quit whatever you want to say

2332
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,840
and uh it's a typical tactic they just

2333
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,280
did it with jay widener now they're

2334
01:29:02,870 --> 01:29:00,960
calling him elusive or they're calling

2335
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:02,880
him let me get the term straight i have

2336
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:05,040
it here written down they called him

2337
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:08,080
they called him a satanic pedophile

2338
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,840
after he came out against them

2339
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:13,600
hmm interesting

2340
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,760
they have no proof of any of that that's

2341
01:29:19,430 --> 01:29:17,760
a heinous claim to make about somebody

2342
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:19,440
won't you agree with no proof or

2343
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:20,639
evidence

2344
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:22,480
right and i don't know that what you're

2345
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:24,400
saying is true either i don't i just

2346
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:26,800
don't know i mean i you know honestly i

2347
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,280
don't know anybody if they if they do

2348
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,040
their research about

2349
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,280
these guys i don't know

2350
01:29:37,350 --> 01:29:35,440
why anybody would believe them but i'm

2351
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,360
respectful to people that do

2352
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,880
if you believe them good for you you

2353
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:40,239
know god

2354
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:43,440
follow david for years for what he

2355
01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:45,679
before before before the financial

2356
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,400
tyranny i mean the world isn't done

2357
01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:50,320
you'd be a good person to talk to you

2358
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:51,920
know what i would love to talk to a

2359
01:29:55,990 --> 01:29:53,600
person that's a believer of his because

2360
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:56,000
i don't get it the guy first he claimed

2361
01:30:00,470 --> 01:29:58,480
he was edgar casey reincarnated then he

2362
01:30:02,470 --> 01:30:00,480
made all those 2012 predictions none of

2363
01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:02,480
them came true did you know that all of

2364
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,800
his books are 50 copy and paste it from

2365
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:06,880
other books he does cite the sources but

2366
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:08,800
he just copies and pastes half of his

2367
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:09,840
books

2368
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:15,910
his number one whistleblower i did a

2369
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:17,679
whole show on this guy called pete

2370
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:19,600
peterson that guy's a complete and total

2371
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:21,679
fraud and i proved it everything in the

2372
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:25,360
guy's biography was a lie

2373
01:30:27,669 --> 01:30:26,320
so

2374
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:27,679
i don't understand

2375
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:29,679
how david wilcock has this big following

2376
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,320
when it's so easy to disprove the stuff

2377
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:35,280
that he talks about you know

2378
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:37,199
yeah i don't know

2379
01:31:12,709 --> 01:30:38,560
i

2380
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:12,719
bloodstream anybody who's been to space

2381
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,360
will have this signature he won't

2382
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:17,600
he won't submit to the testing he won't

2383
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:18,800
do it

2384
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,679
hmm

2385
01:31:23,430 --> 01:31:21,360
interesting

2386
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:23,440
okay if five years worth of telling

2387
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,000
stories he has not provided any evidence

2388
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:28,320
any proof whatsoever that makes me

2389
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:30,719
suspect saying a spaceship landed in his

2390
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:33,280
backyard and none of his neighbors

2391
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:35,360
on either side of him or behind him i

2392
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:37,679
mean we looked into this nobody saw the

2393
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:39,600
spaceship but him

2394
01:31:44,790 --> 01:31:42,320
so that makes me curious

2395
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:44,800
yeah well then that

2396
01:31:50,629 --> 01:31:49,040
you know and you know given that is

2397
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:50,639
then it makes me wonder what the hell

2398
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,400
david wilcock is

2399
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,639
you know standing up for him

2400
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,880
kind of a lot of people listen off the

2401
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:58,560
record a lot of people say that he's got

2402
01:32:02,790 --> 01:32:00,480
some kind of dirt on him and that's how

2403
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,800
he's keeping him in his

2404
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:04,320
good graces yeah and i don't know what

2405
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:06,480
the dirt could be but david wilcox's a

2406
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,840
mystery

2407
01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:10,000
in in and of himself you know it's kind

2408
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:11,840
of yeah it's kind of fascinating to me

2409
01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:13,760
that a guy could just make up lies and

2410
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:15,440
just tell stories and make all this

2411
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:17,040
money he's got like a million dollar

2412
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:19,040
house somewhere

2413
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:20,880
and that's okay with me

2414
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:24,080
that is free do people make money if

2415
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:25,600
they no it's okay i'm good with people

2416
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:27,120
making money but if all he's doing is

2417
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:30,400
selling lies then but i i don't know

2418
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:32,960
that he's selling lies you see because a

2419
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:36,639
lot of i mean i've been i've i haven't

2420
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,960
done anything with him lately but i was

2421
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:40,800
quite avidly you know going to his

2422
01:32:45,910 --> 01:32:42,880
website and all this kind of stuff

2423
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:45,920
and everything that he said basically i

2424
01:32:48,390 --> 01:32:47,600
mean most of the stuff

2425
01:32:53,110 --> 01:32:48,400
came

2426
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:53,120
but

2427
01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:55,760
a hundred percent and i don't care how

2428
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:57,760
he writes is that you know

2429
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:00,639
he he was so prolific and so involved in

2430
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:02,800
so many things

2431
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:05,440
i don't have a problem with how he did

2432
01:33:08,550 --> 01:33:06,960
his books as long as they're not

2433
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:08,560
complete [\h__\h]

2434
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:11,600
and here's one here's one that got me

2435
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:13,280
i looked into i looked into this

2436
01:33:16,229 --> 01:33:14,639
gentleman pete peterson that was

2437
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:16,239
supposed to be a government insider

2438
01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:18,000
whistleblower he was supposed to have

2439
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:19,600
worked for the russian equivalent of

2440
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:22,400
nasa he was supposed to get the russian

2441
01:33:26,550 --> 01:33:25,120
lenin award he was supposed to

2442
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:26,560
come out with this early personal

2443
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:30,320
computer before apple before ibm before

2444
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,800
tandy before atari you know he was

2445
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:34,639
supposed to be this big early computer

2446
01:33:37,510 --> 01:33:35,760
pioneer

2447
01:33:39,189 --> 01:33:37,520
i knew that was a lie because i'm a

2448
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:39,199
computer science guy

2449
01:33:43,590 --> 01:33:41,199
so then that got me curious if they're

2450
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:43,600
lying about him being an early computer

2451
01:33:48,310 --> 01:33:45,760
pioneer then what about working for the

2452
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:48,320
russian space station so i called uh i

2453
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:50,560
called the russian embassy they said

2454
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:53,440
he's never worked for any russian space

2455
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:55,520
agency period and the same thing with

2456
01:33:59,350 --> 01:33:57,120
the lenin award that's like the

2457
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:59,360
congressional medal of honor in russia

2458
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:01,199
you can get a list of everybody that's

2459
01:34:05,030 --> 01:34:02,880
ever won that they

2460
01:34:07,030 --> 01:34:05,040
david wilcox said he won that

2461
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,040
he didn't win it you can check he did

2462
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:09,280
not win it so all these things that pete

2463
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:11,440
peterson was supposed to be that would

2464
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:13,520
all turn out to be a fraud

2465
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,520
david wilcock writes almost an entire

2466
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:17,520
book full of that guy's stories

2467
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:19,840
puts it in a book and sells it to me

2468
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,760
either david wilcock didn't do 15

2469
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,840
minutes of research like i did

2470
01:34:27,350 --> 01:34:25,600
or he knew the guy was a fraud and he

2471
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:27,360
sold him anyway

2472
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,400
well that's not good yeah

2473
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:32,400
let me ask you something who

2474
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:34,320
who would you say

2475
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:35,920
is you know

2476
01:34:40,390 --> 01:34:37,600
pretty i mean who would you say is

2477
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:40,400
pretty the real deal legit

2478
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:43,360
well i was i was kind of uh really a big

2479
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:45,760
fan of stanton friedman before and uh i

2480
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:47,280
got to interview him and talk to him and

2481
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:48,800
he kind of became my friend right before

2482
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,960
he died he just died recently i would

2483
01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,800
think he was at the top of the heap of

2484
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:54,639
credible people who you can trust the

2485
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,239
information that he's talking about to

2486
01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:58,800
be accurate and that he really is going

2487
01:35:03,109 --> 01:35:01,040
for the truth and

2488
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:03,119
uh i guess the the second closest that

2489
01:35:07,669 --> 01:35:04,719
we have to that now would probably be

2490
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:07,679
richard dolan who's a you know historian

2491
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:09,040
and he's very

2492
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:10,480
uh

2493
01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:13,840
calculating in what he speaks about and

2494
01:35:17,750 --> 01:35:15,199
very uh

2495
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:17,760
intellectual about everything and and he

2496
01:35:27,750 --> 01:35:25,750
i'm sure there's many more but that's

2497
01:35:29,750 --> 01:35:27,760
feeling far between honestly i've been

2498
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:29,760
looking into this stuff for so long and

2499
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:31,679
the the deeper you look into some of

2500
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:34,080
these guys at first you like whatever

2501
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:35,760
they're talking about you like it it

2502
01:35:39,109 --> 01:35:37,280
resonates with you right you want to

2503
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:39,119
believe it so then you start looking

2504
01:35:42,390 --> 01:35:40,960
then you start looking into the guy and

2505
01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,400
here is the problem

2506
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:45,199
you go well his education's not real

2507
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,199
or he didn't work where he said he

2508
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:49,199
worked or you know what i mean he's just

2509
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:51,199
getting all these problems

2510
01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:51,840
and

2511
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:54,840
good story is full of these kind of

2512
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,840
problems and also you know he's kind of

2513
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:58,880
got this

2514
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:01,679
bad reputation for being like vengeful

2515
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:03,119
and nasty and threatening to sue

2516
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:04,719
everybody he's threatened to sue dark

2517
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:06,080
journalists if you ever heard a dark

2518
01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:07,119
journalist

2519
01:36:11,109 --> 01:36:08,840
he's well yeah

2520
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:11,119
yeah to sue him for a few years and then

2521
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:11,840
he

2522
01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:23,270
a friend of mine that does content on

2523
01:36:28,470 --> 01:36:26,400
him well what's weird

2524
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:28,480
the the weirdest thing that strikes me

2525
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:29,840
about that

2526
01:36:35,510 --> 01:36:33,440
is that his overarching message from all

2527
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,520
of this space business

2528
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:37,199
was that he comes back with you got to

2529
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:39,119
develop yourself spiritually and you've

2530
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,880
got to work every single day to be a

2531
01:36:43,750 --> 01:36:42,159
better person

2532
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:43,760
love and light right

2533
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,440
let's pray love and light guy while

2534
01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:47,360
we're threatening to sue everybody i

2535
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:52,790
but i mean

2536
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,560
it doesn't necessarily i mean to say

2537
01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:56,320
that and to be that

2538
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:58,239
doesn't necessarily mean he's gotten

2539
01:37:02,470 --> 01:36:59,920
there yet you know i mean if you have

2540
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:02,480
any awareness of that you know

2541
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:03,760
i don't know because i've worked on

2542
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:06,400
myself a long time worked long and hard

2543
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:08,400
and i know that

2544
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,480
at any point in the journey i i

2545
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:12,800
certainly wasn't perfect and still i'm

2546
01:37:16,070 --> 01:37:15,040
not oh hey i give them that but it just

2547
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:16,080
seems

2548
01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:19,040
you know the constant paypal donations

2549
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:21,440
and the constant i need money

2550
01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,639
you know

2551
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:25,040
i think if you were i just think like if

2552
01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:26,480
you really were like

2553
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:28,239
selected by some

2554
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:29,600
super

2555
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:31,679
advanced race of aliens to be earth's

2556
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:34,719
ambassador your behavior your behavior

2557
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:36,400
would be a little more altruistic and

2558
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:39,920
not so let's make a profit

2559
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:42,080
yeah just my opinion though

2560
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:44,239
yeah i i'm

2561
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:46,480
i'm of two minds about that it kind of

2562
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:48,800
depends because this world works on

2563
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:51,040
money you know and and when people start

2564
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,480
saying oh they can't be real because

2565
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:54,560
they ask for donations

2566
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:55,920
you know

2567
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:00,950
you have to do money and

2568
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:03,679
yeah

2569
01:38:06,709 --> 01:38:05,199
back to the support network so you

2570
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:06,719
really didn't do very much with them you

2571
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:08,080
just kind of got signed up and then

2572
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:10,719
nothing kind of happened i guess

2573
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:12,320
together there were no leaders there

2574
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,159
were no you know there was no hierarchy

2575
01:38:19,430 --> 01:38:16,480
there was no nothing really so actually

2576
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:19,440
where was that one girl uh

2577
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:20,480
yeah

2578
01:38:25,430 --> 01:38:23,679
a woman um uh i forget

2579
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:25,440
but for the

2580
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:28,400
several years now i've been vivian davis

2581
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:31,760
it was vivian davis was the head of this

2582
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,040
yeah

2583
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:35,360
human beings flawed human beings one and

2584
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:36,159
all

2585
01:38:38,550 --> 01:38:37,040
yeah

2586
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,560
well listen i appreciate that you took

2587
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,400
the time to talk to me i don't you know

2588
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:43,119
i i think uh i gotta keep digging here

2589
01:38:46,709 --> 01:38:44,400
to find out what's going on with this

2590
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:46,719
thing because it's still a mystery to me

2591
01:38:51,430 --> 01:38:48,880
well why are you

2592
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:51,440
pursuing it may i ask just to get

2593
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:53,199
somebody on your radio show to talk

2594
01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,080
about it or what well um yeah i would

2595
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:58,239
like to well actually i'd like to just

2596
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,159
have what

2597
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:02,719
baby what's the yeah i want to do a

2598
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:04,880
story i'm doing a story on this

2599
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,920
disclosure support network i

2600
01:39:11,669 --> 01:39:09,520
i found that there's all these people

2601
01:39:13,430 --> 01:39:11,679
giving out counseling sessions that i

2602
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,440
don't believe are qualified or legally

2603
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:15,040
able to do it

2604
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,360
are they actually doing it oh yeah we

2605
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:19,679
got we got them

2606
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,000
they're actually because nobody's caught

2607
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:23,920
like i said i haven't been i'm probably

2608
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:25,840
one of the few people that is qualified

2609
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:28,239
to do some of this work and well i just

2610
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:30,159
i just mean that there's been ones that

2611
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:32,159
i talked to that said yes i would

2612
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:33,119
provide

2613
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:35,440
you know whatever service i would yeah

2614
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,480
yeah so well i wouldn't i wouldn't

2615
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:40,400
my personal opinion is i wouldn't spend

2616
01:39:44,790 --> 01:39:42,159
your precious time on it because it

2617
01:39:46,629 --> 01:39:44,800
isn't a thing

2618
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,639
yeah this isn't the thing

2619
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:48,239
in fact most of the people that signed

2620
01:39:53,030 --> 01:39:50,159
up for this thing don't know who was

2621
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:53,040
behind it who set it up why it was set

2622
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,840
up what its purpose was

2623
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:57,679
what the financial arrangements were

2624
01:40:02,629 --> 01:39:59,119
supposed to be

2625
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,639
this was a cluster

2626
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,280
you know what

2627
01:40:11,030 --> 01:40:08,790
i don't know

2628
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:11,040
some hastily set up

2629
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:12,639
supposed

2630
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:14,719
front

2631
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,199
to deal with all of this alien stuff

2632
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,760
except we can't because

2633
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,679
we're not qualified

2634
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,840
we're not state licensed

2635
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:27,119
and

2636
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:29,760
we're a bunch of crackpots most of us

2637
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:32,080
someone was just signed up because

2638
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:34,400
somebody asked us nicely

2639
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:38,480
sign up yeah come on sign up okay we

2640
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:39,760
sign up

2641
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:43,199
this is just one big pr fluff

2642
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:46,320
for the followers of this idiot corey

2643
01:40:49,669 --> 01:40:47,600
goode

2644
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:49,679
look i'm setting up this disclosure

2645
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:53,360
network full of all these professionals

2646
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,159
oh my god look at this list of

2647
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:58,000
crackpots and

2648
01:41:04,950 --> 01:41:01,440
[\h__\h] taking money from stupid people

2649
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:04,960
this is what this guy signed up

2650
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:07,199
let's get back to the phone let's call

2651
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:09,440
one more person on this crazy list and

2652
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:18,390
howdy

2653
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:20,800
hi can i speak to rose uh wolfenberger

2654
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:22,080
please

2655
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,320
okay here nacho i thought this was going

2656
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,320
to be apologize for the weird answer

2657
01:41:31,270 --> 01:41:28,639
this is this is she

2658
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,280
hi uh miss wolfenbarker my name's steven

2659
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:33,360
and uh i do a radio show on the fringe

2660
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:36,080
fm every saturday at midnight we uh i'm

2661
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:44,229
and uh and and you're listed here under

2662
01:41:55,990 --> 01:41:52,709
listed on what how interesting

2663
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,000
is your name read rose wolfenbarger

2664
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,320
yes i mean my real name is rose and i go

2665
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:00,639
by red oh okay well

2666
01:42:05,430 --> 01:42:02,960
oh i i'm listed to help children and

2667
01:42:07,590 --> 01:42:05,440
teens with disclosure is that what yeah

2668
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:07,600
i'm assuming you're and what you mean

2669
01:42:16,310 --> 01:42:13,990
it's like vaguely however many months

2670
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:16,320
ago and i hadn't heard anything and

2671
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:19,440
probably have forgotten it but vaguely

2672
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,360
oh yeah maybe they just maybe they just

2673
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:23,040
signed you up and they never followed up

2674
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:24,719
with you

2675
01:42:28,629 --> 01:42:26,880
um that could be too yeah i'm doing a

2676
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:28,639
story on this because it looks to me

2677
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:31,440
like you have actual real credentials

2678
01:42:34,709 --> 01:42:32,880
right like you're

2679
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,719
you have a masters of arts and counselor

2680
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:36,560
education

2681
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:38,560
and i have a specialist which is

2682
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,119
equivalent to a two-year master's yes

2683
01:42:46,590 --> 01:42:43,360
in counseling yeah you see

2684
01:42:48,550 --> 01:42:46,600
the problem with that i have with this

2685
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,560
disclosuresupport.org is that a lot of

2686
01:42:53,430 --> 01:42:50,880
people on here don't have real

2687
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,440
counseling certifications you know like

2688
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:54,880
they're not legally

2689
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:57,119
offered counselling you seem to be one

2690
01:43:01,270 --> 01:42:58,320
of the only people that have a real

2691
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:01,280
education in that kind of oh how funny

2692
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,800
yeah how funny

2693
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:05,199
and that kind of thing counseling yes in

2694
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,280
disclosure

2695
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:09,760
oh i okay yes i did sign up for it way

2696
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:11,920
back when interesting

2697
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:14,080
um

2698
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:15,360
yeah

2699
01:43:19,410 --> 01:43:18,239
so i don't even know what i would

2700
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,420
say

2701
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,520
[Music]

2702
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,600
interview kind of was just thing

2703
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:25,520
i was gonna just ask you who signed you

2704
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:27,360
up for that do you remember who signed

2705
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,990
credo no

2706
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:34,000
i go to um

2707
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:37,119
ufo paranormal meetings and

2708
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:40,639
oh god that was a good well ago and i've

2709
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,800
you know they had a couple of different

2710
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:44,639
weekend workshops

2711
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:45,840
and

2712
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:48,320
i don't know who it was female but

2713
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:50,000
that's how i remember

2714
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:52,159
yeah i believe that that would have been

2715
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:54,719
vivian davis that signed you up

2716
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:56,639
from what i don't understand take your

2717
01:44:03,990 --> 01:44:01,510
i don't know just just so you're aware

2718
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:04,000
like it just appears to me and i'm

2719
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,920
looking into the story that there's a

2720
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:07,600
lot of people on these lists that are

2721
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,440
just like

2722
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:11,440
you know they got some certificate from

2723
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:13,280
the mail or you know what i mean they're

2724
01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:14,400
not

2725
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,840
and they're offering

2726
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:20,560
counseling

2727
01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:23,600
and what i would hope they're doing is

2728
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:26,639
simply support and

2729
01:44:34,310 --> 01:44:32,149
no you're not crazy yes this is real

2730
01:44:36,390 --> 01:44:34,320
kind of stuff

2731
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,400
um

2732
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:38,639
yeah i i would

2733
01:44:53,669 --> 01:44:39,360
i

2734
01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,679
not crazy

2735
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:55,440
and that they

2736
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:59,840
um that we're safe that um

2737
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:01,199
and they're not alone

2738
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:02,880
i i guess that's

2739
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:04,080
that's what

2740
01:45:07,830 --> 01:45:05,920
my fantasy is

2741
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:07,840
that they would want if you believe in

2742
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,679
aliens and you believe that disclosure

2743
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,800
is coming

2744
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,320
yeah i could see that there would be the

2745
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:14,159
need for some counseling services for

2746
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:17,280
some people yeah when it happens that's

2747
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:18,719
what yeah

2748
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:21,360
miss wolfenberger the flip side

2749
01:45:25,189 --> 01:45:22,960
the flip side of the coin and this is

2750
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:25,199
what worries me is what if

2751
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:27,199
disclosure is not coming and this is

2752
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:31,600
just a con to con people out of money

2753
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:32,320
i

2754
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,639
um

2755
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:40,880
yeah i had i hadn't even given it

2756
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:43,119
thought i hadn't given it to talk to

2757
01:45:47,990 --> 01:45:44,400
because i'm sure that you're just one of

2758
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:48,000
the good people then you know

2759
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,760
maybe i am i am a good person yes

2760
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:53,040
um

2761
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:55,840
yeah i i oh you're in albuquerque new

2762
01:46:03,030 --> 01:45:59,840
mexico it says here yes that's mexico is

2763
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:03,040
awesome that's one of my favorite places

2764
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,480
and where are you

2765
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:06,719
i'm in pennsylvania so we get bad

2766
01:46:10,229 --> 01:46:07,600
weather

2767
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:10,239
we get it yes you do and you know new

2768
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:18,390
i guess then you never got a client like

2769
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:20,480
call you from this disclosure network or

2770
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:21,360
anything

2771
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:24,880
correct correct i have not and and i was

2772
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:27,119
wondering what the if did you have any

2773
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:29,199
kind of arrangement with them that like

2774
01:46:33,109 --> 01:46:30,960
if you got business you had to kick some

2775
01:46:34,070 --> 01:46:33,119
money back or something

2776
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:34,080
nope

2777
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,199
discussed

2778
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,960
my dryer just stopped so i'm going to

2779
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:40,719
put it back on so

2780
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:42,719
give me

2781
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:49,830
i think

2782
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:52,239
yeah i certainly

2783
01:46:54,550 --> 01:46:53,119
i

2784
01:46:56,790 --> 01:46:54,560
my own

2785
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:56,800
self certainly believes disclosure is

2786
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,760
coming but yes i was never

2787
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:01,679
it's sort of i signed up and agreed for

2788
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:04,400
sure i believe in it and sure i'm

2789
01:47:08,390 --> 01:47:05,679
interested i've

2790
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:08,400
grown up with ufo paranormal stuff as

2791
01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:10,880
far as my mom was interested and

2792
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:13,760
you know exposed me to it um

2793
01:47:17,669 --> 01:47:16,159
can i ask you do you know

2794
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:17,679
what do you know about the person that

2795
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:19,199
started this you know this was started

2796
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:22,639
by corey goode

2797
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:25,600
i don't even know no i don't know yeah

2798
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,520
he's actually the guy who started it and

2799
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,440
then he put this vivian girl who was

2800
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:31,679
like his girlfriend somebody told me

2801
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:37,990
yeah

2802
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:40,000
and i don't even know

2803
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:42,400
corey good

2804
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,280
meaning

2805
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:45,440
maybe i should but i don't

2806
01:47:50,149 --> 01:47:48,159
he's really out there ufo guy he claims

2807
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:50,159
that he was in a secret space program

2808
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,239
and he went to space for 20 years but

2809
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:54,480
then they age regressed him and then

2810
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,320
time traveled him back to right before

2811
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:58,320
he left and so you can't prove his story

2812
01:48:01,830 --> 01:47:59,760
is [\h__\h]

2813
01:48:02,550 --> 01:48:01,840
basically

2814
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:02,560
he

2815
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,960
military

2816
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:08,960
uh he was in the national guard but he

2817
01:48:13,590 --> 01:48:11,119
claims he was in a secret space program

2818
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:13,600
that nobody knows about you know

2819
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:16,560
i i heard somebody speak and it's

2820
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,800
probably the workshop or the weekend

2821
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,320
deal where i

2822
01:48:24,950 --> 01:48:22,400
volunt signed up

2823
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:24,960
uh somebody speak who was

2824
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:28,239
abducted at age six or something and

2825
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,119
flew a spaceship around mars for 20

2826
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:33,199
years so yeah there's some similarity in

2827
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,560
the stories

2828
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:36,480
yeah

2829
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:37,840
well i just

2830
01:48:41,030 --> 01:48:39,520
it's interesting to me that all these

2831
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:41,040
people signed up for this and most

2832
01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:42,480
people don't know that he's the guy who

2833
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,840
started it and he's kind of uh

2834
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:47,600
i don't know let's just say that he got

2835
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:48,560
there

2836
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,080
and he doesn't and he doesn't have the

2837
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:52,719
best reputation for being altruistic

2838
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:55,199
most people would say he he's running a

2839
01:48:59,990 --> 01:48:56,960
marketing cult and just trying to make

2840
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:00,000
money and so i'm oh interesting so i'm

2841
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:01,920
fascinated with this whole disclosure

2842
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:03,520
thing because honestly i thought i was

2843
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,639
going to find that there was some

2844
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:06,800
kickback you know like you get a job you

2845
01:49:10,550 --> 01:49:09,040
give back some money or i don't know and

2846
01:49:13,350 --> 01:49:10,560
so far i haven't found the financial

2847
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:13,360
motive for him to do this

2848
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:16,239
and and i don't again i don't think i

2849
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,400
would

2850
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,560
stay on board i don't know you know who

2851
01:49:23,910 --> 01:49:22,480
was i two years ago or whenever the heck

2852
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:23,920
i signed up for it i don't know maybe it

2853
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:27,679
wasn't even a year ago but i don't

2854
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:29,599
i don't think i would

2855
01:49:36,550 --> 01:49:34,239
oh that's good um so yeah i i don't

2856
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:36,560
think that there's

2857
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,189
yeah that would not that was not my

2858
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:43,040
motivation in signing up that's all i

2859
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:44,880
can say it looks like from everybody

2860
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:46,800
that i've talked to people looking for

2861
01:49:52,950 --> 01:49:50,159
disclosure counseling support is not

2862
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:52,960
knocking down everybody's doors you know

2863
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,960
there's not a huge market out there for

2864
01:50:01,990 --> 01:49:56,639
this

2865
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:02,000
meaning and my understanding of

2866
01:50:05,270 --> 01:50:04,239
disclosure is letting the world know

2867
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:05,280
that

2868
01:50:11,510 --> 01:50:09,199
et's exist and ufos are real and

2869
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:11,520
i agree with you that kind of thing that

2870
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:13,840
kind of thing that i 100 agree with you

2871
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:16,080
on you know what i think happens though

2872
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:17,520
i think that the

2873
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:20,639
hunger for this information is so strong

2874
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:22,960
and the void needs to be filled so i

2875
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,280
believe that a lot of con artists rush

2876
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,560
in to fill the void and make some money

2877
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:31,360
personal theory but i do i do truly

2878
01:50:35,910 --> 01:50:33,760
believe in aliens i do truly believe in

2879
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:35,920
ufos and visitation

2880
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:38,400
possibly from other worlds

2881
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,239
that's what i believe but i believe that

2882
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,719
the the real truth of all that stuff is

2883
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,159
so little

2884
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:46,639
minuscule in information

2885
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:49,280
it's not enough so the con artists rush

2886
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:51,280
in to fill the need and the hunger and

2887
01:50:59,510 --> 01:50:57,350
and the meetings i go to there's two of

2888
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,520
them a month facilitated by different

2889
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:01,040
people

2890
01:51:05,109 --> 01:51:02,719
um i'm an

2891
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:05,119
oh i just say okay i'm an empath so i

2892
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:06,400
feel

2893
01:51:11,870 --> 01:51:08,400
vibes of people

2894
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:15,430
99 percent of the time

2895
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:18,880
both the audience and the speaker

2896
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:20,800
feels very real

2897
01:51:25,589 --> 01:51:22,960
so i go by my own

2898
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:25,599
so my point is i mean in the audience

2899
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,040
mate i don't know numbers maybe at most

2900
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:31,360
you know roughly 20 people

2901
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:32,320
20.

2902
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,440
so it's um but they're local people and

2903
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:37,599
some of them go to both meetings so it's

2904
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:39,440
you know some of the same

2905
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:41,119
people that both

2906
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,840
i

2907
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,679
have not

2908
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,520
because it can't well the latest

2909
01:51:49,830 --> 01:51:47,360
speakers have been people who've been

2910
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:49,840
abducted

2911
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:53,840
stuff that's done to them and

2912
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:55,520
whatever

2913
01:52:03,669 --> 01:51:56,880
and

2914
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:03,679
military stuff as well as alien stuff

2915
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:06,480
and sometimes both so it's yes it's

2916
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:12,790
stuff they're sharing i guess and

2917
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:15,920
and i choose to wear one tiny speck the

2918
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:17,840
earth in this giant

2919
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:20,639
universe that goes on

2920
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:21,360
in

2921
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:26,400
genitively

2922
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:28,880
infinitely there that's the word

2923
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:30,800
um

2924
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:33,040
and it's crazy to think that we're the

2925
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:40,310
so that's

2926
01:52:43,669 --> 01:52:42,320
my perspective on it and as i say i

2927
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:43,679
haven't

2928
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:44,880
i

2929
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,679
workshop last year

2930
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,679
they had there was a room with vendors

2931
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:53,440
you know people authors who had written

2932
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:54,800
books and i don't know what else i

2933
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:57,280
didn't even go into the room i walked by

2934
01:53:03,350 --> 01:52:58,480
the

2935
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:03,360
room and and people maybe arts and

2936
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,280
crafts stuff that they'd made

2937
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:07,840
crafts people um

2938
01:53:10,229 --> 01:53:09,119
but and i

2939
01:53:13,270 --> 01:53:10,239
don't

2940
01:53:16,709 --> 01:53:13,280
one of them i did walk through

2941
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,310
i did not

2942
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:20,880
i didn't pick up that anybody was there

2943
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:21,760
for

2944
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:24,719
creepy one time

2945
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,280
and a friend of mine noticed it she goes

2946
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:29,440
to the meetings the one kind of set of

2947
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:30,880
mutants too

2948
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:33,840
there was a dude taking pictures

2949
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:36,719
and he and his partner i guess that he

2950
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:37,920
and a female

2951
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:39,119
um

2952
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:40,639
have been to different meetings and

2953
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:43,119
she's noticed they take pictures

2954
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:45,360
only they didn't for a couple of them

2955
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:48,159
anyway so that's the that's the only

2956
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:51,520
what the hell is he taking pictures for

2957
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,280
kind of thing that's uh

2958
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:57,280
i'm going to make some notes here about

2959
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:59,040
what we talked about and then if i have

2960
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:01,199
any more questions maybe you can maybe

2961
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:03,599
that i think you can help me with

2962
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:06,159
i i'd like that sure yeah

2963
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:09,280
that would be fun i appreciate your time

2964
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:12,000
sure all right you have a nice evening

2965
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:13,760
thank you you too

2966
01:54:19,510 --> 01:54:17,119
i've sort of let you into

2967
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:19,520
my strange little world tonight

2968
01:54:23,030 --> 01:54:20,960
i hope you enjoyed

2969
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:23,040
taking this journey with me

2970
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:25,920
that music means that our journey is

2971
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:27,520
reaching its end

2972
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:29,840
our time is once again running short

2973
01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:30,800
here

2974
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:33,360
on the midnight hour show

2975
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,880
my friends

2976
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,400
i tried

2977
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:38,719
to bring you some truth

2978
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,679
tonight

2979
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:41,360
i did my best

2980
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:47,990
until next time folks my name is stephen

2981
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:50,560
campion reminding you

2982
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:53,119
that the truth will set you free but